Re: Healthcare Reform

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Sharon,

It seems TP avoids answering direct questions yet continues to make ad hominem attacks while spouting
quotations and ephemeral numbers. The tactic seems hauntingly familiar.

So who is really being disingenuous? I know someone who used to brag about being an "expert" in a
particular field, someone who claimed to have regularly testified in court...this seemed to make this
person an expert in everything. Since this person speaks with the solemnity of a preacher and the
certainty of a physician, people often assume that the person does indeed have expert knowledge in
whatever the topic of conversation is....and, this person is so often wrong that it is down right scary.
I had to learn, the hard way, to double and triple check everything that issues forth, especially if it
is something critical for me.

I suspect that many so-called experts are this way, this is something you have certainly learned. 3%?
I suspect the number is much higher, especially if the lavish bonuses and salaries are any indication.

On 4/03/10, Sharon wrote:
> Thomas,
>
> As I explained previously, I did Google. I found no legitimate reference for the numbers you cite.
>
> Can you provide the link to the website from which you took those numbers?
>
> I know you are able to cut and paste because that was necessary for you to post the numbers.
>
> Go to the cite again and cut the website address that comes up in the search at the top of your
> screen.
>
> Then paste here.
>
> Thank you,
> Sharon
>
> On 4/03/10, Thomas Paine wrote:
>> Please use your common sense and Google, Yhaoo or BING the information - it is public domain and
>> devilishly simple to secure.
>>
>> The first step to vigilance is knowledge. Popular opinion should never be confused with knowledge.
>>
>> Thomas Paine
>>
>> On 4/02/10, Sharon wrote:
>>> Thomas,
>>>
>>> Use your common sense. You posted some numbers. But you did not post the source of those
>>> numbers, nor did you post information of the parent companies.
>>>
>>> If you could stop with the personal attacks professing I am being obtuse, coy, disingenuous,
>>> etc., it would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> From where did the source for those numbers you posted come? Could you post the link?
>>>
>>> I am like JC on this one. A 3 percent profit margin for the insurance industry is not logical.
>>>
>>> And so you know, I have minor in accounting. Not that this makes me a genius, but I do have a
>>> fairly good head for how math works.
>>>
>>> You do realize that AIG, who we bailed out with billions, is an insurance company, right?
>>>
>>> You do realize that the trillions of tax dollars in the health bill is allocated to go to
>>> insurance companies to pay for insurance policies, right?
>>>
>>> If you could respond without making personal attacks, it would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Can you show me the link of where you got those numbers?
>>>
>>> Sharon
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/02/10, Thomas Paine wrote:
>>>> So when reality clashes with your opinion, you alter the reality.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting
>>>>
>>>> Thomas Paine
>>>>
>>>> On 4/02/10, johncodie wrote:
>>>>> On 4/02/10, Thomas Paine wrote:
>>>>>> Whether you choose to believe it or not, the facts are the facts. Insurance companies are
>>>>>> highly regulated. Their financial data is public domain. Simply seek and ye shall find.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thomas Paine
>>>>>
>>>>> Another misinformed statement of facts. Of all the damning and breach of contract data
>>>>> obtained from multiple companies acquired to the final paying entity; the only thing in the
>>>>> settlment they gave a damn about was the $$$ settlement figure. So if it is not in court
>>>>> documents and had to sign an agreement not to divulge that figure; only the controller and
>>>>> the person who wrote the check, have knowlege. So if the insurance company is keeping the
>>>>> payouts confidential; how does the public get to see the amounts? The state regulatory only
>>>>> regulates the policy wording, and the suposedly reserves.
>>>>>
>>>>> The numbers that you are quoting are the numbers that the companies are posting after all
>>>>> their purported losses, expenses, etc. etc. Thats what is called doctoring the books, or
>>>>> cooking the books, or to other schemes called stealing from the stock holders.
>>>>>
>>>>> Net operating profit 3&37; mass ass. Ever wonder why accountants and CPA make a good living
>>>>> with simple addition and subtraction? They are able to create the best portfolio of numbers
>>>>> and accounts and the shifting of money. You may not be up far enough the food chain to see
>>>>> the stratagies starting on the health care reform; but the day after the health care reform
>>>>> law was signed there were statagiest working on new products to maxamize the bottom line.
>>>>>
>>>>> It got published on the internet as 3&37;, and that makes it so! Right there next to it is
>>>> my
>>>>> dream home that I just won!
>>>>>