Re: Moldy Logic NAA Amicus 2009 & Blog 2010

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Truth and evidence mean nothing to people like that, NOTHING.

On 5/22/10, Sharon wrote:
> RemDud,
>
> Do you even read what you are responding to before you write?
>
> RD Quote:
> The NAA’s position on mold is consistent with current research and
> facts regarding mold exposure and does not embrace the junk
> science associated with the black toxic mold hysteria. With
> frivolous litigation a real danger for multifamily operators, it
> is reassuring that the Chamber of Commerce document and many
> others are finding their way into the courts.
>
> "The NAA’s position on mold is consistent with current research and
> facts regarding mold exposure and does not embrace the junk science
> associated with the black toxic mold hysteria."
>
> NAA May 21, 2010
>
> "THE MOLD THAT WE DEAL WITH IN OUR INDUSTRY CAN POSE POTENTIALLY
> HARMFUL EFFECTS TO RESIDENTS, EMPLOYEES....REMEMBER, MOLD CAN CAUSE
> MAJOR HEALTH PROBLEMS AND EVEN DEATH"
>
> US Chamber July 17, 2003
>
> "THUS THE NOTION THAT TOXIC MOLD IS AN INSIDIOUS SECRET KILLER AS SO
> MANY TRIAL LAWYERS AND MEDIA WOULD CLAIM IS JUNK SCIENCE UNSUPPORTED
> BY ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC STUDY"
>
> NAA August 31, 2009
>
> "A PANEL OF SCIENTISTS (who won't even claim they wrote the following
> paper we are citing for the courts on their CV's)..FIND THAT YEARS OF
> INTENSE STUDY HAVE FAILED TO PRODUCE ANY CAUSAL CONNECTION BETWEEN
> EXPOSURE TO INDOOR MOLD AND ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS' US CHAMBER OF
> COMMERCE, A SCIENTIFIC VIEW OF THE HEALTH EFFECTS OF MOLD (2003)"
>
> RemDud May 22, 2010
>
> "YEA THE NAA IS RIGHT WHEN THEY PUT IT INTO LEGAL DOCUMENTS FOR
> JUDGE'S EYES THAT MOLD DOESN'T HARM TENANTS WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY and
> PUBLICLY TELLING THEIR MEMBERS IT CAN KILL THEIR TENANTS. DOH!"
>
> It really is scary that you could be considered a professional
> advisor in this issue.
>
>
> On 5/22/10, Rem Dude wrote:
>> The NAA’s position on mold is consistent with current research and
>> facts regarding mold exposure and does not embrace the junk
>> science associated with the black toxic mold hysteria. With
>> frivolous litigation a real danger for multifamily operators, it
>> is reassuring that the Chamber of Commerce document and many
>> others are finding their way into the courts.
>>
>> It is time that the hysteria surrounding “black toxic mold” cease.
>> It is also time for those pushing the black toxic mold agenda wake
>> up and embrace the facts as well.
>>
>> Rem Dude
>>
>> On 5/22/10, Sharon wrote:
>>> Rem Dude,
>>>
>>> Really? Then why is the NAA educating their members that mold
>>> can harm tenants' health and sometimes even cause death..while
>>> their attorneys are telling judges the EXACT opposite?
>>>
>>> The US Chamber paper claims that it is scientifically
>> proven "the
>>> notion that toxic mold is an insidious secret killer is a result
>>> of trial lawyers, media and junk science". Not according to the
>>> NAA's own blog as they are informing their members why it is
>>> important to address asap.
>>>
>>> Can you cite to the scientific source reference for the
>>> concluding above statement found in the US Chamber paper, "A
>>> Scientific View of the Health Effects of Mold"?
>>>
>>> And if this is such a stellar substantive science paper, then
>> why
>>> do you think none of its named co-authors will even claim they
>>> wrote it, in on their CV's?
>>>
>>> http://katysexposure.wordpress.com/2010/04/30/truth-out-sharon-
>>> kramer-letter-to-andrew-saxon-mold-issue/
>>>
>>> It really is a bit scary that you give advice to people, both
>>> occupants and owners/property mgrs, while professing to have
>>> expertise in this area. Wonder how much money has been wasted
>>> when prop mgrs have been forced to defend the lack of protection
>>> for their occupants/bad faith because they relied on
>>> your "professional" advice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/22/10, Rem Dude wrote:
>>>> “A Scientific View of the Health Effects of Mold” is an
>>>> excellent guidance document for property managers and those
>>>> who have been frightened by black toxic mold hysteria. We
>>>> constantly encounter clients who have become terrified of
>>>> bathroom mold after reading web sites pontificating the
>>>> lethality of all things moldy.
>>>>
>>>> Fortunately, the Chamber of Commerce and many other well
>>>> respected organizations and researchers are getting the truth
>>>> out regarding the true dangers of mold exposure.
>>>>
>>>> Rem Dude
>>>>
>>>> On 5/20/10, Deborah wrote:
>>>>> They have seen the light...with much prodding, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/19/10, Sharon Kramer wrote:
>>>>>> August 31, 2009 NAA Amicus Curiae Brief submitted into a
>>>>>> litigation as a purportedly substantive scientific
>>>>>> reference for the courts to consider when denying insurer
>>>>>> and NAA member responsibility for causation of new born
>>>>>> infant deaths from mold:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “In a report entitled, ‘A Scientific View of the Health
>>>>>> Effects of Mold’, a panel of scientists, including
>>>>>> toxicologists and industrial hygienists stated that years
>>>>>> of intense study have failed to produce any causal
>>>>>> connection between exposure to indoor mold and adverse
>>>>>> health effects.’ U.S. Chamber of Commerce, A Scientific
>>>>>> View of the Health Effects of Mold (2003)”
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> May 19, 2010 NAA Website:
>>>>>> Mold: Your Silent Enemy -Blog
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The mold that we deal with in our industry can pose
>>>>>> potentially harmful effects to residents, employees and to
>>>>>> your company’s bottom line"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Gee, wonder what else could cause problems with a
>>>>>> company's bottom line....in a legal proceeding?)
>>>>>>
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