Re: Moldy Logic NAA Amicus 2009 & Blog 2010

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I think it means something to people like that when the flawed concept
that one can legally operate void of truth, gets translated into monitary
terms by their risk assessors.

On 5/23/10, Deborah wrote:
> Truth and evidence mean nothing to people like that, NOTHING.
>
>
> On 5/22/10, Sharon wrote:
>> RemDud,
>>
>> Do you even read what you are responding to before you write?
>>
>> RD Quote:
>> The NAA’s position on mold is consistent with current research and
>> facts regarding mold exposure and does not embrace the junk
>> science associated with the black toxic mold hysteria. With
>> frivolous litigation a real danger for multifamily operators, it
>> is reassuring that the Chamber of Commerce document and many
>> others are finding their way into the courts.
>>
>> "The NAA’s position on mold is consistent with current research and
>> facts regarding mold exposure and does not embrace the junk science
>> associated with the black toxic mold hysteria."
>>
>> NAA May 21, 2010
>>
>> "THE MOLD THAT WE DEAL WITH IN OUR INDUSTRY CAN POSE POTENTIALLY
>> HARMFUL EFFECTS TO RESIDENTS, EMPLOYEES....REMEMBER, MOLD CAN CAUSE
>> MAJOR HEALTH PROBLEMS AND EVEN DEATH"
>>
>> US Chamber July 17, 2003
>>
>> "THUS THE NOTION THAT TOXIC MOLD IS AN INSIDIOUS SECRET KILLER AS SO
>> MANY TRIAL LAWYERS AND MEDIA WOULD CLAIM IS JUNK SCIENCE UNSUPPORTED
>> BY ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC STUDY"
>>
>> NAA August 31, 2009
>>
>> "A PANEL OF SCIENTISTS (who won't even claim they wrote the following
>> paper we are citing for the courts on their CV's)..FIND THAT YEARS OF
>> INTENSE STUDY HAVE FAILED TO PRODUCE ANY CAUSAL CONNECTION BETWEEN
>> EXPOSURE TO INDOOR MOLD AND ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS' US CHAMBER OF
>> COMMERCE, A SCIENTIFIC VIEW OF THE HEALTH EFFECTS OF MOLD (2003)"
>>
>> RemDud May 22, 2010
>>
>> "YEA THE NAA IS RIGHT WHEN THEY PUT IT INTO LEGAL DOCUMENTS FOR
>> JUDGE'S EYES THAT MOLD DOESN'T HARM TENANTS WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY and
>> PUBLICLY TELLING THEIR MEMBERS IT CAN KILL THEIR TENANTS. DOH!"
>>
>> It really is scary that you could be considered a professional
>> advisor in this issue.
>>
>>
>> On 5/22/10, Rem Dude wrote:
>>> The NAA’s position on mold is consistent with current research and
>>> facts regarding mold exposure and does not embrace the junk
>>> science associated with the black toxic mold hysteria. With
>>> frivolous litigation a real danger for multifamily operators, it
>>> is reassuring that the Chamber of Commerce document and many
>>> others are finding their way into the courts.
>>>
>>> It is time that the hysteria surrounding “black toxic mold” cease.
>>> It is also time for those pushing the black toxic mold agenda wake
>>> up and embrace the facts as well.
>>>
>>> Rem Dude
>>>
>>> On 5/22/10, Sharon wrote:
>>>> Rem Dude,
>>>>
>>>> Really? Then why is the NAA educating their members that mold
>>>> can harm tenants' health and sometimes even cause death..while
>>>> their attorneys are telling judges the EXACT opposite?
>>>>
>>>> The US Chamber paper claims that it is scientifically
>>> proven "the
>>>> notion that toxic mold is an insidious secret killer is a result
>>>> of trial lawyers, media and junk science". Not according to the
>>>> NAA's own blog as they are informing their members why it is
>>>> important to address asap.
>>>>
>>>> Can you cite to the scientific source reference for the
>>>> concluding above statement found in the US Chamber paper, "A
>>>> Scientific View of the Health Effects of Mold"?
>>>>
>>>> And if this is such a stellar substantive science paper, then
>>> why
>>>> do you think none of its named co-authors will even claim they
>>>> wrote it, in on their CV's?
>>>>
>>>> http://katysexposure.wordpress.com/2010/04/30/truth-out-sharon-
>>>> kramer-letter-to-andrew-saxon-mold-issue/
>>>>
>>>> It really is a bit scary that you give advice to people, both
>>>> occupants and owners/property mgrs, while professing to have
>>>> expertise in this area. Wonder how much money has been wasted
>>>> when prop mgrs have been forced to defend the lack of protection
>>>> for their occupants/bad faith because they relied on
>>>> your "professional" advice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/22/10, Rem Dude wrote:
>>>>> “A Scientific View of the Health Effects of Mold” is an
>>>>> excellent guidance document for property managers and those
>>>>> who have been frightened by black toxic mold hysteria. We
>>>>> constantly encounter clients who have become terrified of
>>>>> bathroom mold after reading web sites pontificating the
>>>>> lethality of all things moldy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fortunately, the Chamber of Commerce and many other well
>>>>> respected organizations and researchers are getting the truth
>>>>> out regarding the true dangers of mold exposure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rem Dude
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/20/10, Deborah wrote:
>>>>>> They have seen the light...with much prodding, of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/19/10, Sharon Kramer wrote:
>>>>>>> August 31, 2009 NAA Amicus Curiae Brief submitted into a
>>>>>>> litigation as a purportedly substantive scientific
>>>>>>> reference for the courts to consider when denying insurer
>>>>>>> and NAA member responsibility for causation of new born
>>>>>>> infant deaths from mold:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “In a report entitled, ‘A Scientific View of the Health
>>>>>>> Effects of Mold’, a panel of scientists, including
>>>>>>> toxicologists and industrial hygienists stated that years
>>>>>>> of intense study have failed to produce any causal
>>>>>>> connection between exposure to indoor mold and adverse
>>>>>>> health effects.’ U.S. Chamber of Commerce, A Scientific
>>>>>>> View of the Health Effects of Mold (2003)”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> May 19, 2010 NAA Website:
>>>>>>> Mold: Your Silent Enemy -Blog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The mold that we deal with in our industry can pose
>>>>>>> potentially harmful effects to residents, employees and to
>>>>>>> your company’s bottom line"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Gee, wonder what else could cause problems with a
>>>>>>> company's bottom line....in a legal proceeding?)
>>>>>>>
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