Re: Action Groups Asks UC To Take Name OFF US Chamber MOLD D

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After observing this board for a number of years, I see a strong correlation between the potential
influence of a particular issue or action articulated by the advocate community, and the level of
response from anonymous posters here. Not including me, of course.

I'd say the ACHEMMIC has found a lever.

Myco

On 5/31/10, Sharon wrote:
> Doc,
>
> Words carry alot more weight on this board, if one uses their real
> name...or at least posts something that makes sense.
>
> So are you saying that for a request the esteemed University of
> California name be removed from a US Chamber marketing piece in which the
> claim is made that the notion that illness from "toxic mold" are only
> being made because of "trial lawyers, media and junk science" somehow
> stymies legitimate research at UC?
>
> And it is "intimidating" that a request be made that their name be
> removed from the document?
>
> Which department of UC is intimidated by this - the school of medicine or
> the school of marketing..or YOU?
>
> Give it up. You are wrong and you know it. Quit trying to control the
> world with a false holier than thou position, just because you are afraid
> to speak out. Your argument is ridiculous.
>
> Again, the ACHEMMIC letter respectfully requesting the UC name come off
> of the US Chamber publication as it is being misapplied in a manner
> harmful to those who experience severe illness and sometimes even death
> after exposure to mold.
>
> http://freepdfhosting.com/e88548fd20.pdf
>
>
>
> Sharon
>
>
> On 5/31/10, Deborah wrote:
>> Bwhahahahahhaha..
>>
>> What's up, Doc? What a caricature, I mean character.
>>
>> In this case, the activists exposed a pretty grand scheme. It seem the
>> Wall Street Journal, you know, that leftie rag, thought it worth a look
>> see.
>>
>> Really loved their coverage of Ivy League medical students protesting
>> the medico-pharmaceutical industry influence in academia. Want me to
>> look up those articles for you? Or the fact that pharma employees were
>> photographing those protesting? Or the fact that several states are
>> tightening up their disclosures rules and laws concerning income from
>> the "industries" to the universities, medical specialty and subspecialty
>> groups?
>>
>> Yep, those pesky activists. That is too funny. Thanks, I needed a good
>> laugh today. Hey, I here that in some European countries they are
>> completely doing away with the Hippocratic suggestion, I mean Oath...at
>> least they have the courage to admit it had become a raging hypocrisy.
>>
>> For all those Veterans that answered the call of duty and gave their
>> all, we salute you for the chance to have the freedoms we all cherish
>> and continue to fight for each day. We hope to have some positive
>> impact upon how surviving veterans and their families fare in receiving
>> adequate, affordable and honest care.
>>
>>
>> On 5/31/10, Doc wrote:
>>> When activists attempt to censure, intimidate and/or pressure
>>> scientists, research organizations or even university faculty, they
>>> no longer honor the quest for knowledge and dissemination of truth.
>>>
>>> The University of California will not be intimidated or persuaded to
>>> censure research.
>>>
>>> Doc
>>>
>>> On 5/31/10, Sharon wrote:
>>>> If "Doc" felt strongly that their words were correct - and were
>>> not
>>>> just marketing with ulterior motivation in mind, then "Doc" would
>>>> be using "Doc's" real name when posting, eh?
>>>>
>>>> ACHEMMIC's goal is what is from the beginning and continues to be.
>>>>
>>>> IE, to assure current accepted science is practiced as a matter of
>>>> policy in the US with regard to the understanding of illnesses
>>>> caused by microbes in water damaged buildings.
>>>>
>>>> And no amount of character assasinating posting by annonymous
>>>> marketers with personal agendas, is going to stop or deflect from
>>>> this worthy goal.
>>>>
>>>> We understand how the concept of "Doubt is Their Product" works.
>>> We
>>>> understand reasons why some seem so fearful that we understand
>>> this.
>>>>
>>>> So, Doc, please specifically cite what legitimate "unbiased
>>>> science" you are of the opinion ACHEMMIC is harming. State
>>>> specifically from science papers if you can.
>>>>
>>>> And try to use your real name when you reply so we know who is
>>>> spouting these "unbiased" words of wisdom.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/31/10, Doc wrote:
>>>>> The original mission of ACHEMMIC was to educate through the
>>>>> dissemination of “unbiased” current research in the area of
>>>>> indoor environmental health.
>>>>>
>>>>> The current mission of ACHEMMIC appears to be an interpretation
>>>>> of current research to support a non-scientific agenda. Some are
>>>>> participating for profit and gain, while others are
>>>>> participating for egocentric gratification.
>>>>>
>>>>> No prudent scientist or researcher is going to jeopardize their
>>>>> reputation promoting an adulterated, biased message.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doc
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/31/10, Sharon wrote:
>>>>>> Hmmmm? I recognize that writing style and mantra. Ain't
>>>>>> no "Doc" credential associated with the writer of these
>>>>> words.
>>>>>> Nice one, XXXXX.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The mission of ACHEMMIC is and will continue to be that
>>>>>> integrity in US health policy over the mold issue be carried
>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is a two prong process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A. Get rid of the deception in science that has been mass
>>>>>> marketed to the courts and within health policy - that it is
>>>>>> scientifically proven the toxins of mold do not harm and that
>>>>>> all claims of illness are only being made becasue of "trial
>>>>>> lawyers, media and Junk Science".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B. Promote truth via government agencies consistant with
>>>>>> current accepted science.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is a shame is that some would promote their own personal
>>>>>> agendas while professing to work for change. What would
>>>>>> motivate one to do this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I would now need to ask the question: What's up, "Doc"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/31/10, Doc wrote:
>>>>>>> The Jacobson letter will be met with the same response as
>>>>>>> the Kramer letter. Simply put, you can not obstruct the flow
>>>>>>> of research nor can you adulterate the outcome of research
>>>>>>> in order to influence policy or deny legal defense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Within a remarkably short period of time, the mission of
>>>>>>> ACHEMMIC has been corrupted by activists positions. This is
>>>>>>> why members are removing their name from the organization
>>>>>>> and why few are willing to participate today. Supporting and
>>>>>>> broadcasting sound research is one thing, purposely ignoring
>>>>>>> or suppressing the truth under the guise of transparency is
>>>>>>> both disingenuous and deceitful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While the initial mission of ACHEMMIC was honorable and
>>>>>>> refreshing, in application it neither.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/28/10, Sharon Kramer wrote:
>>>>>>>> Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, President of the Regents of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> University of California, May 18th, 2010 before the
>>>>>>>> California Chamber of Commerce:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Well, I think it is - you know, Workers' Compensation was
>>>>>>>> a perfect example, because we did the reforms that gave
>>>>>>>> back to the private sector (sic, the insurance industry)
>>>>>>>> $50 billion-plus in these last few years since we have had
>>>>>>>> Workers' Comp reform..... Well, I have sniffing dogs over
>>>>>>>> there that sniff out job killers. (Laughter) And they
>>>>>>> sniff
>>>>>>>> from the time they start passing bills upstairs, or to
>>>>>>>> debate the bills upstairs, they're already sniffing. And
>>>>>>>> then they come to me and they tell me about all of those
>>>>>>>> job killers. And then I sit down and I look at them and I
>>>>>>>> say, "Hasta la vista, baby." (Laughter)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The following is a letter sent to the UC by scientists,
>>>>>>>> physicians & citizens who are concerned for the health and
>>>>>>>> safety of their fellow man and "job killers"..along with
>>>>>>>> school children killers, apartment dwelling infant
>>>>>>> killers,
>>>>>>>> etc. Other than the actual letter itself, the following
>>>>>>>> statements are my own. Sharon Kramer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Letter To Regents of University of California:
>>>>>>>> http://freepdfhosting.com/e88548fd20.pdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Re: UC name & inferred scientific endorsement of
>>>>>>>> US Chamber Mold Issue Medico-Legal Statement of:
>>>>>>>> http://freepdfhosting.com/28c0f50004.pdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Begin Letter:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ACHEMMIC - ACTION COMMITTEE ON THE HEALTH EFFECTS OF MOLD,
>>>>>>>> MICROBES AND INDOOR CONTAMINANTS
>>>>>>>> Email: achemmic@yahoo.com | Website: achemmic.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> May 15, 2010
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Arnold Schwarzenegger
>>>>>>>> President of Regents, UC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Russell Gould
>>>>>>>> Chairman of Regents,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark G. Yudof
>>>>>>>> UC President, UC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RE: The University of California’s name is included in
>>>>>>>> implied endorsement of a 2003 U.S. Chamber of Commerce
>>>>>>>> publication currently referenced in a 2010 legal
>>>>>>> proceeding.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Honorable Governor Schwarzenegger, Chairman Gould and
>>>>>>>> President Yudof,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The University of California is world renowned for
>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>> role in promoting and protecting public health by its
>>>>>>>> outstanding physician education and the integrity of its
>>>>>>>> medical teaching facilities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Action Committee on the Health Effects of Mold,
>>>>>>>> Microbes and Indoor Contaminants (ACHEMMIC) is comprised
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> volunteer physicians, scientists, researchers, indoor air
>>>>>>>> quality experts, industrial hygienists, building
>>>>>>> engineers,
>>>>>>>> teachers, advocates and others who work cohesively to
>>>>>>>> promote integrity in U.S. public health policy with regard
>>>>>>>> to the adverse health effects of mold, microbes and indoor
>>>>>>>> contaminants that are frequently found in water damaged
>>>>>>>> buildings.(1)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ACHEMMIC has the following concerns:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. The University of California name is apparently being
>>>>>>>> used as an implied signatory of the2003 U.S. Chamber of
>>>>>>>> Commerce publication.(2)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. It appears that the name of the University of
>>>>>>> California
>>>>>>>> is being used as an implied scientific endorsement of the
>>>>>>>> contents of said U.S. Chamber publication.(3)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3. It is our understanding that it is a violation of the
>>>>>>>> California Constitution, Article IX, Section 9(f) for the
>>>>>>>> University of California name to be used to promote a
>>>>>>>> document of political and sectarian influence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 4. The contents of the document are contrary to recent
>>>>>>>> scientific findings by national and international experts,
>>>>>>>> including some within the State of California.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The people who have been harmed by contaminants in
>>>>>>>> water-damaged buildings and erroneous public health policy
>>>>>>>> over the mold issue come from all walks of life. They are
>>>>>>>> white collar workers, blue collar workers, retirees,
>>>>>>>> veterans, teachers, business owners, homeowners, tenants,
>>>>>>>> children, parents and grandparents. They work or are
>>>>>>>> schooled in newly constructed and older buildings. They
>>>>>>>> reside in all parts of the United States and around the
>>>>>>>> globe. They live in owned, mortgaged, or rented houses and
>>>>>>>> apartments- large and small, new and old, grand and
>>>>>>> humble.
>>>>>>>> Some live in military housing, trailers or on
>>>>>>> reservations.
>>>>>>>> Those affected by this issue are affluent, poor and middle
>>>>>>>> class. They are able-bodied taxpayers and disabled
>>>>>>>> citizens. They are the insured and uninsured by health,
>>>>>>>> workers compensation and property casualty insurance
>>>>>>>> companies. They represent the melting pot of citizens that
>>>>>>>> make up this great country of ours--the United States of
>>>>>>>> America.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They depend on integrity in medical science within
>>>>>>>> U.S. medical teaching universities and within the courts
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> protect their health and safety and the health and safety
>>>>>>>> of their families.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We appreciate the University of California Regents’
>>>>>>>> prompt attention to this matter with broad implications
>>>>>>>> impacting mold toxic torts and public health policy as a
>>>>>>>> whole if left unaddressed by the Regents.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For your convenience, we have attached our membership
>>>>>>>> roster and documents of specific concern. Should ACHEMMIC
>>>>>>>> be of further assistance to the Regents of the U.C. over
>>>>>>>> this matter, please do not hesitate to ask.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>>>>>> Mary Mulvey Jacobson
>>>>>>>> ACHEMMIC Public Relations
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cc: Cheryl Vacca Vice President Ethics & Compliance,
>>>>>>>> Regents of the U.C.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charles Robinson Vice President General Counsel, Regents
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the U.C.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> U.S. Congressman Henry Waxman, California 30th District
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> encompassing
>>>>>>>> UCLA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Enclosures: 3
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1 (2010) Membership Roster for ACHEMMIC
>>>>>>>> 2 (2003) Listed authors and conclusion of “A Scientific
>>>>>>>> View of the Health Effects of Mold” U.S. Chamber ILR in
>>>>>>>> relevant part
>>>>>>>> 3 (2009) Amicus Curiae Brief, National Apartment
>>>>>>>> Association, citing “A Scientific View,” in relevant part
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> End Letter
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This situation is a National Disgrace that has been
>>>>>>> allowed
>>>>>>>> to continue for far too long to the detriment of the
>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>> and safety of the American worker & the American public -
>>>>>>>> while financially benefiting commerce and while our
>>>>>>> elected
>>>>>>>> leaders turn a blind eye.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That math could be applied to a single rodent study by
>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>> connected, professional witnesses for the defense in mold
>>>>>>>> litigation; and from this, the CDC, US medical
>>>>>>>> associations, US medical teaching universities, and the US
>>>>>>>> Chamber of Commerce could mass market the false scientific
>>>>>>>> concept to the courts that it is proven people are not
>>>>>>>> injured by the toxic components of molds that are found in
>>>>>>>> water damaged buildings is an absurd unscientific and
>>>>>>>> unethical concept currently pervading US health policy for
>>>>>>>> the purpose of aiding industry to deny their
>>>>>>> responsibility
>>>>>>>> to the sick and injured.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not only is it harming the health and safety of the
>>>>>>>> American public, it is a bellwether indication of the
>>>>>>>> erosion of Democracy that our country is founded upon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What happened to "We, the People" when determining what
>>>>>>>> laws and common decency govern and define who we are as a
>>>>>>>> society? When did it change to "They, the Corporations"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.metnews.com/articles/2010/foru052410.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sharon Noonan Kramer