Re: Action Groups Asks UC To Take Name OFF US Chamber MOLD D

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Myco,

Good to see you are still following the board and keeping current on
matters. Yes, I think it is only logical that the Regents of the University
of California will want their good name removed from the US Chamber's "A
Scientific View of the Health Effects of Mold" - which professes it is
scientifically established all claims of illnesses from "toxic mold" are only
being made because of "trial lawyers, media and junk science".

I think this is particularly true now that they are aware their good name is
being misused in implied endorsement of the above "science" in the courts to
deny insurer liability for the death of two new born infants.

So, I am perplexed as to why "Doc" would think for the UC name to come off a
US Chamber publication (which is clearly political and sectarian as noted
above; and is being used to the detriment of mold sick and injured to present
a false concept to the courts) somehow stymies research in the UC system. Or
why they would think it appropriate to disparage ACHEMMIC for respectfully
requesting the UC take action to remove their name from the US Chamber mold
publication.

(Again, ACHEMMIC letter: http://freepdfhosting.com/e88548fd20.pdf)

Personally, I think it is quite amazing that ACHEMMIC has been able to claim
membership of over 80 in such a short period of time, many of whom function
in a professional capacity over this issue and have strong backgrounds of
effectively helping the sick and injured; and with the numbers growing daily.

As such, me thinks "Doc" protestith too much and there must be something else
going on here, within those annonymous and false words of Doc. It would
appear to me that someone has gotten themselves stirred up into an
embarassing tizzy and is fearful of ACHEMMIC raining on their personal
parade.

C'est la vie,
Sharon

On 6/01/10, Myco X wrote:
> After observing this board for a number of years, I see a strong
correlation between the potential
> influence of a particular issue or action articulated by the advocate
community, and the level of
> response from anonymous posters here. Not including me, of course.
>
> I'd say the ACHEMMIC has found a lever.
>
> Myco
>
> On 5/31/10, Sharon wrote:
>> Doc,
>>
>> Words carry alot more weight on this board, if one uses their real
>> name...or at least posts something that makes sense.
>>
>> So are you saying that for a request the esteemed University of
>> California name be removed from a US Chamber marketing piece in which the
>> claim is made that the notion that illness from "toxic mold" are only
>> being made because of "trial lawyers, media and junk science" somehow
>> stymies legitimate research at UC?
>>
>> And it is "intimidating" that a request be made that their name be
>> removed from the document?
>>
>> Which department of UC is intimidated by this - the school of medicine or
>> the school of marketing..or YOU?
>>
>> Give it up. You are wrong and you know it. Quit trying to control the
>> world with a false holier than thou position, just because you are afraid
>> to speak out. Your argument is ridiculous.
>>
>> Again, the ACHEMMIC letter respectfully requesting the UC name come off
>> of the US Chamber publication as it is being misapplied in a manner
>> harmful to those who experience severe illness and sometimes even death
>> after exposure to mold.
>>
>> http://freepdfhosting.com/e88548fd20.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> Sharon
>>
>>
>> On 5/31/10, Deborah wrote:
>>> Bwhahahahahhaha..
>>>
>>> What's up, Doc? What a caricature, I mean character.
>>>
>>> In this case, the activists exposed a pretty grand scheme. It seem the
>>> Wall Street Journal, you know, that leftie rag, thought it worth a look
>>> see.
>>>
>>> Really loved their coverage of Ivy League medical students protesting
>>> the medico-pharmaceutical industry influence in academia. Want me to
>>> look up those articles for you? Or the fact that pharma employees were
>>> photographing those protesting? Or the fact that several states are
>>> tightening up their disclosures rules and laws concerning income from
>>> the "industries" to the universities, medical specialty and subspecialty
>>> groups?
>>>
>>> Yep, those pesky activists. That is too funny. Thanks, I needed a good
>>> laugh today. Hey, I here that in some European countries they are
>>> completely doing away with the Hippocratic suggestion, I mean Oath...at
>>> least they have the courage to admit it had become a raging hypocrisy.
>>>
>>> For all those Veterans that answered the call of duty and gave their
>>> all, we salute you for the chance to have the freedoms we all cherish
>>> and continue to fight for each day. We hope to have some positive
>>> impact upon how surviving veterans and their families fare in receiving
>>> adequate, affordable and honest care.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/31/10, Doc wrote:
>>>> When activists attempt to censure, intimidate and/or pressure
>>>> scientists, research organizations or even university faculty, they
>>>> no longer honor the quest for knowledge and dissemination of truth.
>>>>
>>>> The University of California will not be intimidated or persuaded to
>>>> censure research.
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>> On 5/31/10, Sharon wrote:
>>>>> If "Doc" felt strongly that their words were correct - and were
>>>> not
>>>>> just marketing with ulterior motivation in mind, then "Doc" would
>>>>> be using "Doc's" real name when posting, eh?
>>>>>
>>>>> ACHEMMIC's goal is what is from the beginning and continues to be.
>>>>>
>>>>> IE, to assure current accepted science is practiced as a matter of
>>>>> policy in the US with regard to the understanding of illnesses
>>>>> caused by microbes in water damaged buildings.
>>>>>
>>>>> And no amount of character assasinating posting by annonymous
>>>>> marketers with personal agendas, is going to stop or deflect from
>>>>> this worthy goal.
>>>>>
>>>>> We understand how the concept of "Doubt is Their Product" works.
>>>> We
>>>>> understand reasons why some seem so fearful that we understand
>>>> this.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, Doc, please specifically cite what legitimate "unbiased
>>>>> science" you are of the opinion ACHEMMIC is harming. State
>>>>> specifically from science papers if you can.
>>>>>
>>>>> And try to use your real name when you reply so we know who is
>>>>> spouting these "unbiased" words of wisdom.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/31/10, Doc wrote:
>>>>>> The original mission of ACHEMMIC was to educate through the
>>>>>> dissemination of “unbiased” current research in the area of
>>>>>> indoor environmental health.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The current mission of ACHEMMIC appears to be an interpretation
>>>>>> of current research to support a non-scientific agenda. Some are
>>>>>> participating for profit and gain, while others are
>>>>>> participating for egocentric gratification.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No prudent scientist or researcher is going to jeopardize their
>>>>>> reputation promoting an adulterated, biased message.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/31/10, Sharon wrote:
>>>>>>> Hmmmm? I recognize that writing style and mantra. Ain't
>>>>>>> no "Doc" credential associated with the writer of these
>>>>>> words.
>>>>>>> Nice one, XXXXX.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The mission of ACHEMMIC is and will continue to be that
>>>>>>> integrity in US health policy over the mold issue be carried
>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is a two prong process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A. Get rid of the deception in science that has been mass
>>>>>>> marketed to the courts and within health policy - that it is
>>>>>>> scientifically proven the toxins of mold do not harm and that
>>>>>>> all claims of illness are only being made becasue of "trial
>>>>>>> lawyers, media and Junk Science".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> B. Promote truth via government agencies consistant with
>>>>>>> current accepted science.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is a shame is that some would promote their own personal
>>>>>>> agendas while professing to work for change. What would
>>>>>>> motivate one to do this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I would now need to ask the question: What's up, "Doc"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sharon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/31/10, Doc wrote:
>>>>>>>> The Jacobson letter will be met with the same response as
>>>>>>>> the Kramer letter. Simply put, you can not obstruct the flow
>>>>>>>> of research nor can you adulterate the outcome of research
>>>>>>>> in order to influence policy or deny legal defense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Within a remarkably short period of time, the mission of
>>>>>>>> ACHEMMIC has been corrupted by activists positions. This is
>>>>>>>> why members are removing their name from the organization
>>>>>>>> and why few are willing to participate today. Supporting and
>>>>>>>> broadcasting sound research is one thing, purposely ignoring
>>>>>>>> or suppressing the truth under the guise of transparency is
>>>>>>>> both disingenuous and deceitful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While the initial mission of ACHEMMIC was honorable and
>>>>>>>> refreshing, in application it neither.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/28/10, Sharon Kramer wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, President of the Regents of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> University of California, May 18th, 2010 before the
>>>>>>>>> California Chamber of Commerce:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Well, I think it is - you know, Workers' Compensation was
>>>>>>>>> a perfect example, because we did the reforms that gave
>>>>>>>>> back to the private sector (sic, the insurance industry)
>>>>>>>>> $50 billion-plus in these last few years since we have had
>>>>>>>>> Workers' Comp reform..... Well, I have sniffing dogs over
>>>>>>>>> there that sniff out job killers. (Laughter) And they
>>>>>>>> sniff
>>>>>>>>> from the time they start passing bills upstairs, or to
>>>>>>>>> debate the bills upstairs, they're already sniffing. And
>>>>>>>>> then they come to me and they tell me about all of those
>>>>>>>>> job killers. And then I sit down and I look at them and I
>>>>>>>>> say, "Hasta la vista, baby." (Laughter)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The following is a letter sent to the UC by scientists,
>>>>>>>>> physicians & citizens who are concerned for the health and
>>>>>>>>> safety of their fellow man and "job killers"..along with
>>>>>>>>> school children killers, apartment dwelling infant
>>>>>>>> killers,
>>>>>>>>> etc. Other than the actual letter itself, the following
>>>>>>>>> statements are my own. Sharon Kramer
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Letter To Regents of University of California:
>>>>>>>>> http://freepdfhosting.com/e88548fd20.pdf
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Re: UC name & inferred scientific endorsement of
>>>>>>>>> US Chamber Mold Issue Medico-Legal Statement of:
>>>>>>>>> http://freepdfhosting.com/28c0f50004.pdf
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Begin Letter:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ACHEMMIC - ACTION COMMITTEE ON THE HEALTH EFFECTS OF MOLD,
>>>>>>>>> MICROBES AND INDOOR CONTAMINANTS
>>>>>>>>> Email: achemmic@yahoo.com | Website: achemmic.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> May 15, 2010
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Arnold Schwarzenegger
>>>>>>>>> President of Regents, UC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Russell Gould
>>>>>>>>> Chairman of Regents,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark G. Yudof
>>>>>>>>> UC President, UC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> RE: The University of California’s name is included in
>>>>>>>>> implied endorsement of a 2003 U.S. Chamber of Commerce
>>>>>>>>> publication currently referenced in a 2010 legal
>>>>>>>> proceeding.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Honorable Governor Schwarzenegger, Chairman Gould and
>>>>>>>>> President Yudof,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The University of California is world renowned for
>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>> role in promoting and protecting public health by its
>>>>>>>>> outstanding physician education and the integrity of its
>>>>>>>>> medical teaching facilities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Action Committee on the Health Effects of Mold,
>>>>>>>>> Microbes and Indoor Contaminants (ACHEMMIC) is comprised
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> volunteer physicians, scientists, researchers, indoor air
>>>>>>>>> quality experts, industrial hygienists, building
>>>>>>>> engineers,
>>>>>>>>> teachers, advocates and others who work cohesively to
>>>>>>>>> promote integrity in U.S. public health policy with regard
>>>>>>>>> to the adverse health effects of mold, microbes and indoor
>>>>>>>>> contaminants that are frequently found in water damaged
>>>>>>>>> buildings.(1)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ACHEMMIC has the following concerns:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. The University of California name is apparently being
>>>>>>>>> used as an implied signatory of the2003 U.S. Chamber of
>>>>>>>>> Commerce publication.(2)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. It appears that the name of the University of
>>>>>>>> California
>>>>>>>>> is being used as an implied scientific endorsement of the
>>>>>>>>> contents of said U.S. Chamber publication.(3)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3. It is our understanding that it is a violation of the
>>>>>>>>> California Constitution, Article IX, Section 9(f) for the
>>>>>>>>> University of California name to be used to promote a
>>>>>>>>> document of political and sectarian influence.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 4. The contents of the document are contrary to recent
>>>>>>>>> scientific findings by national and international experts,
>>>>>>>>> including some within the State of California.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The people who have been harmed by contaminants in
>>>>>>>>> water-damaged buildings and erroneous public health policy
>>>>>>>>> over the mold issue come from all walks of life. They are
>>>>>>>>> white collar workers, blue collar workers, retirees,
>>>>>>>>> veterans, teachers, business owners, homeowners, tenants,
>>>>>>>>> children, parents and grandparents. They work or are
>>>>>>>>> schooled in newly constructed and older buildings. They
>>>>>>>>> reside in all parts of the United States and around the
>>>>>>>>> globe. They live in owned, mortgaged, or rented houses and
>>>>>>>>> apartments- large and small, new and old, grand and
>>>>>>>> humble.
>>>>>>>>> Some live in military housing, trailers or on
>>>>>>>> reservations.
>>>>>>>>> Those affected by this issue are affluent, poor and middle
>>>>>>>>> class. They are able-bodied taxpayers and disabled
>>>>>>>>> citizens. They are the insured and uninsured by health,
>>>>>>>>> workers compensation and property casualty insurance
>>>>>>>>> companies. They represent the melting pot of citizens that
>>>>>>>>> make up this great country of ours--the United States of
>>>>>>>>> America.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They depend on integrity in medical science within
>>>>>>>>> U.S. medical teaching universities and within the courts
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> protect their health and safety and the health and safety
>>>>>>>>> of their families.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We appreciate the University of California Regents’
>>>>>>>>> prompt attention to this matter with broad implications
>>>>>>>>> impacting mold toxic torts and public health policy as a
>>>>>>>>> whole if left unaddressed by the Regents.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For your convenience, we have attached our membership
>>>>>>>>> roster and documents of specific concern. Should ACHEMMIC
>>>>>>>>> be of further assistance to the Regents of the U.C. over
>>>>>>>>> this matter, please do not hesitate to ask.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Respectfully yours,
>>>>>>>>> Mary Mulvey Jacobson
>>>>>>>>> ACHEMMIC Public Relations
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> cc: Cheryl Vacca Vice President Ethics & Compliance,
>>>>>>>>> Regents of the U.C.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Charles Robinson Vice President General Counsel, Regents
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the U.C.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> U.S. Congressman Henry Waxman, California 30th District
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> encompassing
>>>>>>>>> UCLA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Enclosures: 3
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1 (2010) Membership Roster for ACHEMMIC
>>>>>>>>> 2 (2003) Listed authors and conclusion of “A Scientific
>>>>>>>>> View of the Health Effects of Mold” U.S. Chamber ILR in
>>>>>>>>> relevant part
>>>>>>>>> 3 (2009) Amicus Curiae Brief, National Apartment
>>>>>>>>> Association, citing “A Scientific View,” in relevant part
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> End Letter
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This situation is a National Disgrace that has been
>>>>>>>> allowed
>>>>>>>>> to continue for far too long to the detriment of the
>>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>>> and safety of the American worker & the American public -
>>>>>>>>> while financially benefiting commerce and while our
>>>>>>>> elected
>>>>>>>>> leaders turn a blind eye.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That math could be applied to a single rodent study by
>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>> connected, professional witnesses for the defense in mold
>>>>>>>>> litigation; and from this, the CDC, US medical
>>>>>>>>> associations, US medical teaching universities, and the US
>>>>>>>>> Chamber of Commerce could mass market the false scientific
>>>>>>>>> concept to the courts that it is proven people are not
>>>>>>>>> injured by the toxic components of molds that are found in
>>>>>>>>> water damaged buildings is an absurd unscientific and
>>>>>>>>> unethical concept currently pervading US health policy for
>>>>>>>>> the purpose of aiding industry to deny their
>>>>>>>> responsibility
>>>>>>>>> to the sick and injured.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not only is it harming the health and safety of the
>>>>>>>>> American public, it is a bellwether indication of the
>>>>>>>>> erosion of Democracy that our country is founded upon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What happened to "We, the People" when determining what
>>>>>>>>> laws and common decency govern and define who we are as a
>>>>>>>>> society? When did it change to "They, the Corporations"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.metnews.com/articles/2010/foru052410.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sharon Noonan Kramer