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    Re: Surprise! Veritox Finds Nothing Wrong w/Weyerhaeuser Hou

    Posted by Deborah on 10/20/10

    Meant to add that Newton's theory is now known as the LAW of
    gravity..and this IS a serious matter.

    On 10/20/10, Deborah wrote:
    > RD,
    >
    > Again, your industry owes, in no small part, its boom in recent
    > years due to efforts of mold victims who survived to tell about it.
    >
    > "Irrefutable" evidence; cause and effect? A middle-aged adult
    > diagnosed w/ asthma w/ no family history of it noting that their
    > symptoms ( others as well as the asthma ) diminish during absence
    > from the dwelling and later discovering, via testing, that there are
    > various molds, aspergillus included, in the dwelling including in
    > the HVAC system and duct work would seem irrefutable to me. How did
    > Newton come up with his theory of gravity? Observation and
    > repeatable results.
    >
    > The evidence is there, it is simply a case of this being a battle
    > much like the ones waged against Big Tobacco, asbestos, lead,
    > dioxin, etc...big money can hold off reality for so long not forever.
    >
    > I have seen aspergillosis in patients and am familiar with it and
    > the number you claim to "have seen" who were "immunocompromised" is
    > your personal observation based on how many years and how many
    > individual and/or clients who actually divulged such information to
    > to you, a remediator often, if not exclusively, working for the
    > structures' owners and/or insurance companies? I think your
    > observations represent the lower end of the spectrum and there are
    > other illnesses besides full blown aspergillosis that occur due to
    > exposure.
    >
    > How many individuals died w/o autopsies? Guess the only way to find
    > out is to perform more autopsies which isn't likely to happen in
    > today's economy. Looking through paperwork today, I happened upon
    > an important 2008 study out of Germany, "Is there a need for
    > autopsies in the management of fungal disease?" by Manfred Knoke,
    > Hannelore Bernhardt and Gunther Schwesinger
    > Faculty of Medicine, University of Greifswald, Greifswald, Germany
    >
    > Any volunteers?
    >
    > http://www.aspergillus.org.uk/secure/articles/pdfs2/18924260.pdf
    >
    > On 10/20/10, Rem Dude wrote:
    >> Deborah:
    >>
    >> If what you say were true, then mold plaintiffs would not be
    >> losing case after case after case. Today, it takes more than
    >> plausibility and conjecture to prove chronic illness due to mold
    >> exposure.
    >>
    >> Granted, I have seen 7 cases of Aspergillosis, however, all were
    >> immunocompromised patients and none could link indoor exposure
    >> to their infections. In fact, PCR analysis in 2 cases proved
    >> that there was no connection.
    >>
    >> The issue is simple, if you have "irrefutable proof" linking
    >> indoor exposure to chronic illness, then you may have a chance
    >> in court - but if you dont, expect to lose your case.
    >>
    >> RD
    >>
    >> On 10/20/10, Deborah wrote:
    >>> On 10/19/10, Rem Dude wrote:
    >>>> " You would think by now that the legal profession would wise
    >>>> up to the facts - black toxic mold hype doesn�t work
    >>>> anymore."
    >>>>
    >>>> RD
    >>>>
    >>> You think that any CIH, remediator, medical professional, IAQ
    >>> expert, etc. would wise up to the fact that molds and their
    >>> byproducts, even molds other than "black" toxic mold [sic
    >>> redundant], do indeed cause serious health problems in a much
    >>> larger 'sub'-group of the population than earlier 'position'
    >>> statements and opinions for hire led the general public, the
    >>> courts, and many others to believe.
    >>>
    >>> Aspergillus is one of the worst culprits and also largely
    >>> responsible for adult onset asthma as well as many other
    >> ailments.
    >>>
    >>> But I do agree with the remark about construction defects being
    >>> a viable cause of action and one that should have been pursued
    >>> simultaneously.

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