Re: Surprise! Veritox Finds Nothing Wrong w/Weyerhaeuser Hou

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On 10/22/10, Sharon wrote:
> RemDude,
>
> your premise is flawed. What evidence do you have that mold plaintiffs are
> losing case after case? The reality is, most cases settle. Only those
> where the insurer thinks they have at least a 50/50 chance of winning or
> those cases that pose the potential for extreme financial liability go to
> trial. (such as infant deaths) The sad thing is, the worse damaged the
> family - the more agressive the denial with tactics that are less than
> stellar being used.
>
> From what I am being told, the GAO Report has helped much to negate those
> who would profess it is scientifically impossible mold, etc, are causing
> these severe illnesses. Do you have documentation of information that
> would support differently?
>
>
> On 10/21/10, Deborah wrote:
>> RD
>>
>> I mentioned adult onset asthma. Perhaps your observational skills aren't
>> as good as they should be?
>>
>> Here is one case, note the date of
>> publication;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/95654 There are more
>> recent studies supporting this.
>>
>> I am well aware of "other" triggers for asthma, but I referred
>> specifically to adult onset asthma. I know, first hand, about respiratory
>> ailments; MCS and asthma ( all adult onset ) are quite a combo.
>>
>> You need to edify yourself. And, again, you are welcome for all the work
>> that mold and indoor air quality advocates generated for your profession.
>> Hope the economy doesn't take a bite out of it.
>>
>> Isn't it odd that "farmer's lung" can be diagnosed and correlated to
>> exposure to stored hays and grains? Have a good day.
>>
>> "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary
>> depends upon his not understanding it!" Upton Sinclair
>> The above would hold true for anyone who refuses to see the obvious truth
>> and we all know what happened to Galileo who, oddly enough, died the year
>> Isaac Newton was born.
>>
>>
>> On 10/21/10, Rem Dude wrote:
>>> Deborah:
>>>
>>> Once again - If what you say were true, then mold plaintiffs would not
>>> be losing case after case after case. Today, it takes more than
>>> plausibility and conjecture to prove chronic illness due to mold
>>> exposure.
>>>
>>> And for your edification - ALL allergens including fungi, dust mites,
>>> pests, pollen, dander are triggers for asthma attacks. In addition,
>>> exercise, food, ozone and air pollutants can also trigger attacks.
>>> Cockroach, dust mites, and ozone are attributed to far more asthma
>>> attacks than mold exposure. Children exposed to cockroaches are 4
>>> times more likely to have asthma than children living in clean homes.
>>>
>>> Once again you�re fixated on ONE of MANY triggers and claiming that it
>>> ALONE is responsible for these complaints. If mold and asthma is the
>>> basis for this class action, then they have already lost.
>>>
>>> RD
>>>
>>> On 10/20/10, Deborah wrote:
>>>> Meant to add that Newton's theory is now known as the LAW of
>>>> gravity..and this IS a serious matter.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/20/10, Deborah wrote:
>>>>> RD,
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, your industry owes, in no small part, its boom in recent
>>>>> years due to efforts of mold victims who survived to tell about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Irrefutable" evidence; cause and effect? A middle-aged adult
>>>>> diagnosed w/ asthma w/ no family history of it noting that their
>>>>> symptoms ( others as well as the asthma ) diminish during absence
>>>>> from the dwelling and later discovering, via testing, that there are
>>>>> various molds, aspergillus included, in the dwelling including in
>>>>> the HVAC system and duct work would seem irrefutable to me. How did
>>>>> Newton come up with his theory of gravity? Observation and
>>>>> repeatable results.
>>>>>
>>>>> The evidence is there, it is simply a case of this being a battle
>>>>> much like the ones waged against Big Tobacco, asbestos, lead,
>>>>> dioxin, etc...big money can hold off reality for so long not
>>> forever.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have seen aspergillosis in patients and am familiar with it and
>>>>> the number you claim to "have seen" who were "immunocompromised" is
>>>>> your personal observation based on how many years and how many
>>>>> individual and/or clients who actually divulged such information to
>>>>> to you, a remediator often, if not exclusively, working for the
>>>>> structures' owners and/or insurance companies? I think your
>>>>> observations represent the lower end of the spectrum and there are
>>>>> other illnesses besides full blown aspergillosis that occur due to
>>>>> exposure.
>>>>>
>>>>> How many individuals died w/o autopsies? Guess the only way to find
>>>>> out is to perform more autopsies which isn't likely to happen in
>>>>> today's economy. Looking through paperwork today, I happened upon
>>>>> an important 2008 study out of Germany, "Is there a need for
>>>>> autopsies in the management of fungal disease?" by Manfred Knoke,
>>>>> Hannelore Bernhardt and Gunther Schwesinger
>>>>> Faculty of Medicine, University of Greifswald, Greifswald, Germany
>>>>>
>>>>> Any volunteers?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.aspergillus.org.uk/secure/articles/pdfs2/18924260.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/20/10, Rem Dude wrote:
>>>>>> Deborah:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If what you say were true, then mold plaintiffs would not be
>>>>>> losing case after case after case. Today, it takes more than
>>>>>> plausibility and conjecture to prove chronic illness due to mold
>>>>>> exposure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Granted, I have seen 7 cases of Aspergillosis, however, all were
>>>>>> immunocompromised patients and none could link indoor exposure
>>>>>> to their infections. In fact, PCR analysis in 2 cases proved
>>>>>> that there was no connection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The issue is simple, if you have "irrefutable proof" linking
>>>>>> indoor exposure to chronic illness, then you may have a chance
>>>>>> in court - but if you don�t, expect to lose your case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/20/10, Deborah wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/19/10, Rem Dude wrote:
>>>>>>>> " You would think by now that the legal profession would wise
>>>>>>>> up to the facts - black toxic mold hype doesn�t work
>>>>>>>> anymore."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You think that any CIH, remediator, medical professional, IAQ
>>>>>>> expert, etc. would wise up to the fact that molds and their
>>>>>>> byproducts, even molds other than "black" toxic mold [sic
>>>>>>> redundant], do indeed cause serious health problems in a much
>>>>>>> larger 'sub'-group of the population than earlier 'position'
>>>>>>> statements and opinions for hire led the general public, the
>>>>>>> courts, and many others to believe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aspergillus is one of the worst culprits and also largely
>>>>>>> responsible for adult onset asthma as well as many other
>>>>>> ailments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I do agree with the remark about construction defects being
>>>>>>> a viable cause of action and one that should have been pursued
>>>>>>> simultaneously.