Re: Mold Prevention coatings applied during new construction
Posted by Robert on 11/01/04
There is on simple fact. There is a need for mold prevention in the
construction industry. This need is growing stronger everyday. The
problem is just like any other fast growing industry, we need to
prevent scum bags from trying to make a fast buck at the expense of
the industry by using bad products and making false claims.
That being said, everyone should check the facts before they buy any
product, especially one that will be applied to you home. There is
only one agency in the Country that is specfically in place to
protect consumers and the Environment, THE EPA. The EPA is the only
government body that regulates chemicals that can affect humans and
the environment. The Chemist is obviously working with Envirocare.
Tell the truth, why is Envirocare and PCG selling products that are
intended for the prevention of Mold growth on homes when they know
that only EPA Registered products can make claims that they kill and
prevent the growth of mold. If EPA Registration is not important,
than why do both companies go out of their way to make claims that
they have an EPA Registered additive? If EPA is no big deal, then
why try to mislead people into believing that you have EPA registered
ingredients? The owners of Envirocare and PCG are related and use
the same technology that hides their ingredients. What is
Envircare's and PCG's EPA Registered additive? No one knows. For
that matter, why not buy the cheapest paint on the market and add
some silver ions in the mixture. YOu would have the same thing.
As far as a warranty is concerned. Do not except a warranty that is
back or written out of Florida. That is the biggest scam in the
world. I have insurance on my home, my car and my G.L. policy from
an indepenent insurance company, don't you. Why? Because I can not
afford a loss. What good is a warranty by a manufacturer if the
manufacturer just started out and has no assets? Check public record
on Envircare and PCG. Between the both of them they could not come
up with a million to save their lives. Anyone can mix paint and
silver in their garage and call them self a manufacturer. Third
party insurance is the only safe way to go. That is why everyone in
America has third party car, health, life and home insurance.
Check the facts for your self. Call the EPA, Call the State where
you live and see how important it is to be EPA Registered.
On 10/27/04, The Chemist wrote:
> Contrary to the sentiments expressed in the second post, there are
> opinions in the industry that differ. All coatings are formulated
> differently in that some, like silicone/silane based systems behave
> like a vapor barrier "locking moisture in". Latex / acrylic latex,
> more specifically synthetic acrylic latex systems are porous. In
> the same way house wrap is designed, it allows the materials to
> This thread seems to be a running advertisement for the microshield
> guys posting with aliases that are actually applying MICROBAN (as
> seen on their website. Guys, Microban doesn't do the job - It
> can't pass the ASTM standards for dry film fungal resistance hence
> Sentinel kicking it to the curb over a year ago. Additionally,
> you're advertising an encapsulant on your website, see above. Aegis
> is a silicone based quat solution no matter how they try to dress
> it up. It harbors exposure concerns, and service life limitations
> relative to moisture this is why it doesn't have a manufacturer
> backed warranty - good luck finding the applicator when it fails
> even if he is the undisclosed founder of the organization that
> backs the warranty under a different company name in another state!
> Nice try.. Robert. PCG is nothing but an opportunistic fraud
> taking advantage of a vunerable Florida market. They mislead you
> by making illegal claims and getting their users in trouble for a
> quick buck, (see EPA treated Article Exemption PR notice
> www.epa.gov), their so called technology officer is named in a
> lawsuit involving St.Jude where he developed a product that - see
> for yourself, its sickening: (www.mnd.uscourts.gov/Tunheim) a
> cohort real estate scam artist with other lawsuits on file in
> kansas and indiana. BUYER BEWARE.
> Regardless of the opinions stated in other posts, overall, coatings
> can be a good thing when used in combination with high quality
> control standards at the site. Unfortunately, quality control is
> difficult, especially for production builders. Water will find its
> way in as a result of a constructin defect - mistakes happen.
> Moisture accumulation can be realized even with the slightest
> miscalculation or circumstance. Coatings ensure a water problem
> remains a water problem and helps to prevent it from growing into a
> bigger issue such as mold and mildew infestation. If your goal is
> to prevent mold, this may be the only weapon considering the
> sometimes inevitable persistence of moisture and ubiquitous mold
> What to look for in a coating? Water based chemistry is good but,
> watch your VOC's You don't want to put additional outgassing paint
> in the building. Smelling inside the open container does not
> establish residual odor. Some coatings have low odor while in the
> can but, what about after it dries? The TRUE dry time is sometimes
> indicative for residual odor. Know the additives: Don't fall for
> the tricks of the trade "our products are EPA compliant" or, they
> are EPA registered. This means nothing unless you know what's in
> there! Would you want your children living in a house where there's
> a high chloride or other organic biocide chemical lingering? Look
> for coatings that have clearly identified additives such as boron,
> copper, or silver. These are inorganics. Quats (quarternary
> ammonium chlorides / compounds), are not. These organics degrade
> and often wash away in the presence of moisture. This is why your
> painted house has mold on it even though the can said it contained
> a mildewcide. You be the judge of what to use but, collect the
> facts first. Some additives including certain quats have FDA
> approvals such as those for cosmetics. Others like the companies
> using silver additives with FDA clearance for indirect food contact
> use, medical device, NSF for potable water, etc. will tell you
> straight up front what's in there. FYI: USBorax (borate maker),
> when interviewed by Midwest Construction News last month, threw
> their own product under the bus. They said it's not as effective as
> it should be for mold and mildew resistance. This is true.
> Borates are not powerful enough to resist mold alone... This is why
> the coatings have undisclosed supplemental biocides that they won't
> tell you about. If the additive is EPA registered or, if the
> finished product is EPA registered DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. EPA
> doesn't test or approve anything. All testing is directed by the
> manufacturer and EPA doesn't provide assurance of safety. All a
> registration means is that EPA is aware of and keeps tabs on the
> company's claims as this is what they do as a regulatory agency.
> When choosing a coating, employ common sense and look for the best
> manufacturer's warranty like anything else you would buy.
> The Chemist
> On 10/26/04, Scott Perry wrote:
>> The reality is if a combination of good building and a
>> quality/safe Anti Microbial coating is applied you are safer and
>> better off than doing nothing. There are plenty of well built
>> homes that experience a water intrusion or moisture realted
>> problems. You are better off applying a coating a penny's/sq
>> ft. I know of a company called EnviroCare Corp.
>> (www.envirocarecorp.com) They own a silver based technolgy that
>> carries a 20 year product and remediation warranty. I would
>> suggest to anyone bulding a home, that they take a look......and
>> choose a quality builder.
>> On 10/26/04, Scott Perry wrote:
>>> On 8/27/04, Greg Weatherman wrote:
>>>> You are placing way too much trust into antifungal sealers,
>>>> paints and coatings. Pay more attention to correcting the
>>>> cause of the water or condensation intrusion. There is no
>>>> antifungal sealer, paint or coating that can win the fight
>>>> against mold and spore-forming bacteria if the source of
>>>> water or condensation intrusion is not corrected.
>>>> It is wreckless to use an antifungal sealer, paint or coating
>>>> on the seal plate and rim joist (band joist) of a home. These
>>>> structural wood members need to be able to dry to the indoors
>>>> and outdoors unless you live in the hot and humid Southeast
>>>> like Florida. In Florida, they have to be able to dry to the
>>>> indoors. There is a load of free information on:
>>>> Look at the difference between the "Orlando" house and
>>>> the "Charlotte" house. There is a link at the bottom of the
>>>> The soil drainage outside should divert water away from the
>>>> home. An old fashioned French field drain with clay tiles is
>>>> still the best way to go (for centuries).
>>>> Antifungal sealers, paints and coatings are useless by
>>>> themselves. Read the label. They tell you the surface has
>>>> to be free of ALL dirt, oils and everything else under the
>>>> sun. Are y'all applying these products in a clean room
>>>> If you don't have fresh air supply and exhaust on your HVAC
>>>> systems you may have a problem with chemical vapors indoors.
>>>> Some of these antifungal sealers, paints and coatings have a
>>>> good history in outdoor uses on items like metal. Wood is a
>>>> different animal.
>>>> Greg Weatherman
>>>> aerobioLogical Solutions Inc.
>>>> Arlington VA 22202
>>>> On 8/02/04, Ljc wrote:
>>>>> I recently ran across a company called American Mold Guard.
>>>>> (Irvine, CA). They provide a ten year warranty against mold
>>>>> growth on the application of their anti-mold surface
>>>>> coating product which is applied during new construction on
>>>>> interior framing and walls. Has anyone heard of this
>>>>> company or product? Does it make any sense...?
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