Re: Mold Prevention coatings applied during new construction
Posted by dd on 11/03/04
Thanks for anwering those points.. Laypeople, especially those recovering
from mold-related illness and devestation have a hard time finding basic,
On 11/02/04, Marty wrote:
> More Gov't controls on mold. what's next. I contacted PCG,
> Envirocare, Fosters, Aegis, CIA Group and Nova. Wow talk about a bunch
> of people who all beleive that there product is the best.
> Why does everyone on this website continue to bash each other?? This
> sounds like a bunch of cry babies that have gotten their butts kicked by
> a specific vendor and are acting like a professional football player or
> I thought this chatroom was for information sharing, not a bunch of cry
> babies. Does anyone actually call up these companies and talk to anyone
> anymore or just try and fight behind their backs?
> to the response on Aegis, CIA and Nova these are virtually the same
> product. Designed for killing the existing molds, works as a one time
> kill, but these are not designed for long term protection. Reference
> their warranties Aegis doesn't have one, CIA appears to have copied
> EnviroCares and Nova doesn't have one, but is involved with a third
> party company, an insurance company that warranties them. (trust if you
> will) Good short term protection, but no meat on the warranties to
> protect ourselves.
> EnviroCare and PCG, these companies did have a common link, John Barry,
> well known coatings expert. He left EnviroCare and now works for PCG,
> it is noted though he is not the inventor of the products, he is only
> technical support.
> These products have a 20 and 25 year full remediation warranty
> respectively. The EnviroCare product E-coat and PCG product Forticel
> are completely different in their chemical makeup. E-coat is polymer
> based, while Forticel is a blend of 3 antimicrobials.
> I actually got samples of all the products and have had several
> different labs do a variety of tests on these products. some of the
> posted claims are true. Aegis and CIA do an effective job of killing
> mold, although the PCG product also did very well. The E-coat and PCG
> product did hold up to the soak tests the best, while Nova, Aegis and
> CIA actually washed off the surface and produced excessive mold
> growth. Several products require mixing and if mixed wrong can
> actually promote mold growth, by injecting the wood surfaces with access
> water and no mold kill product.
> Mold is problem, but how you chose to midigate the growth of mold is
> another thing. Don't trust the salesmen, call the company find out the
> facts. any one can be mold expert now a days, and technology is ever
> changing to help us control and contain mold and mold growth. For now
> call the supplier get the facts and be safe.
> On 11/02/04, Robert wrote:
>> EPA registration is important only if you are actually applying a
>> pesticide. The EPA regulates pesticides. Most of the mold
>> prevention products do not contain pesticides. All the mold Killers
>> contain pesticides.
>> Paint products have all kinds of additives added to them and they do
>> not require EPA approval. The new mold prevention products are under
>> the same requirements. Those of you, who do not understand the
>> guidelines of the Gov't and what they are for are mislead
>> I have been a builder for years and understand water intrusions and
>> mold. To prevent is better than to react.
>> Several of the products on the market are designed to kill existing
>> mold on the product surface. This is good, but they do not last
>> (check the warranty claims) they also can be washed off by a water
>> intrusion over time. (once again not good because mold needs moisture
>> to grow).
>> Once you actually check out the facts you all will see that you should
>> prevent mold growth over the long term, see your states home owners
>> warranty (most are 10 years and then some).
>> Be very careful of fast talking salesmen that try to scare you away
>> from products or into using product. These guys are no good. Check
>> the facts warranties are very important, and it doesn't really matter
>> what state the parent company resides in. If the manufacturer doesn't
>> warrant the product then don't trust them. Chevy and Ford stand
>> behind their products so do several companies out there.
>> On 11/01/04, concerned wrote:
>>> I looked up the St Jude Case. I was told the John Barry and Lenny
>>> Abbott owned PCG. I did not see anything about either of them. I
>>> have been approached by PCG to sell their product instead of the
>>> Aegis product in Florida. Everyone at the CIA Group has been very
>>> forward with their product and its ability to fight mold. I do
>>> that EPA registration is important. Who else is protecting us?
>>> PCG is nothing but an opportunistic fraud
>>>> taking advantage of a vunerable Florida market. They mislead you
>>>> by making illegal claims and getting their users in trouble for a
>>>> quick buck, (see EPA treated Article Exemption PR notice
>>>> www.epa.gov), their so called technology officer is named in a
>>>> lawsuit involving St.Jude where he developed a product that - see
>>>> for yourself, its sickening: (www.mnd.uscourts.gov/Tunheim) a
>>>> cohort real estate scam artist with other lawsuits on file in
>>>> kansas and indiana. BUYER BEWARE.
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