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    Re: Mold Prevention coatings applied during new construction

    Posted by dd on 11/03/04

    Thanks for anwering those points.. Laypeople, especially those recovering
    from mold-related illness and devestation have a hard time finding basic,
    factual info.

    On 11/02/04, Marty wrote:
    > More Gov't controls on mold. what's next. I contacted PCG,
    > Envirocare, Fosters, Aegis, CIA Group and Nova. Wow talk about a bunch
    > of people who all beleive that there product is the best.
    > Why does everyone on this website continue to bash each other?? This
    > sounds like a bunch of cry babies that have gotten their butts kicked by
    > a specific vendor and are acting like a professional football player or
    > something.
    > I thought this chatroom was for information sharing, not a bunch of cry
    > babies. Does anyone actually call up these companies and talk to anyone
    > anymore or just try and fight behind their backs?
    > to the response on Aegis, CIA and Nova these are virtually the same
    > product. Designed for killing the existing molds, works as a one time
    > kill, but these are not designed for long term protection. Reference
    > their warranties Aegis doesn't have one, CIA appears to have copied
    > EnviroCares and Nova doesn't have one, but is involved with a third
    > party company, an insurance company that warranties them. (trust if you
    > will) Good short term protection, but no meat on the warranties to
    > protect ourselves.
    > EnviroCare and PCG, these companies did have a common link, John Barry,
    > well known coatings expert. He left EnviroCare and now works for PCG,
    > it is noted though he is not the inventor of the products, he is only
    > technical support.
    > These products have a 20 and 25 year full remediation warranty
    > respectively. The EnviroCare product E-coat and PCG product Forticel
    > are completely different in their chemical makeup. E-coat is polymer
    > based, while Forticel is a blend of 3 antimicrobials.
    > I actually got samples of all the products and have had several
    > different labs do a variety of tests on these products. some of the
    > posted claims are true. Aegis and CIA do an effective job of killing
    > mold, although the PCG product also did very well. The E-coat and PCG
    > product did hold up to the soak tests the best, while Nova, Aegis and
    > CIA actually washed off the surface and produced excessive mold
    > growth. Several products require mixing and if mixed wrong can
    > actually promote mold growth, by injecting the wood surfaces with access
    > water and no mold kill product.
    > Mold is problem, but how you chose to midigate the growth of mold is
    > another thing. Don't trust the salesmen, call the company find out the
    > facts. any one can be mold expert now a days, and technology is ever
    > changing to help us control and contain mold and mold growth. For now
    > call the supplier get the facts and be safe.
    > On 11/02/04, Robert wrote:
    >> EPA registration is important only if you are actually applying a
    >> pesticide. The EPA regulates pesticides. Most of the mold
    >> prevention products do not contain pesticides. All the mold Killers
    >> contain pesticides.
    >> Paint products have all kinds of additives added to them and they do
    >> not require EPA approval. The new mold prevention products are under
    >> the same requirements. Those of you, who do not understand the
    >> guidelines of the Gov't and what they are for are mislead
    >> individuals.
    >> I have been a builder for years and understand water intrusions and
    >> mold. To prevent is better than to react.
    >> Several of the products on the market are designed to kill existing
    >> mold on the product surface. This is good, but they do not last
    >> (check the warranty claims) they also can be washed off by a water
    >> intrusion over time. (once again not good because mold needs moisture
    >> to grow).
    >> Once you actually check out the facts you all will see that you should
    >> prevent mold growth over the long term, see your states home owners
    >> warranty (most are 10 years and then some).
    >> Be very careful of fast talking salesmen that try to scare you away
    >> from products or into using product. These guys are no good. Check
    >> the facts warranties are very important, and it doesn't really matter
    >> what state the parent company resides in. If the manufacturer doesn't
    >> warrant the product then don't trust them. Chevy and Ford stand
    >> behind their products so do several companies out there.
    >> On 11/01/04, concerned wrote:
    >>> I looked up the St Jude Case. I was told the John Barry and Lenny
    >>> Abbott owned PCG. I did not see anything about either of them. I
    >>> have been approached by PCG to sell their product instead of the
    >>> Aegis product in Florida. Everyone at the CIA Group has been very
    >>> forward with their product and its ability to fight mold. I do
    >> agree
    >>> that EPA registration is important. Who else is protecting us?
    >>> PCG is nothing but an opportunistic fraud
    >>>> taking advantage of a vunerable Florida market. They mislead you
    >>>> by making illegal claims and getting their users in trouble for a
    >>>> quick buck, (see EPA treated Article Exemption PR notice
    >>>>, their so called technology officer is named in a
    >>>> lawsuit involving St.Jude where he developed a product that - see
    >>>> for yourself, its sickening: ( a
    >>>> cohort real estate scam artist with other lawsuits on file in
    >>>> kansas and indiana. BUYER BEWARE.

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