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    Re: No need for EPA registration?

    Posted by Just Checking on 3/17/07

    While I applaud your efforts to at least secure an EPA registered product for
    your business, you certainly need the guidance of a pesticide consultant before
    you move forward. The fact that most in your industry don’t even bother with EPA
    registration for their products means that you will be head and shoulders above
    them just getting out of the gate. However, by using an EPA registered product,
    you must follow the regulations imposed by FIFRA and the state environmental
    protection department.

    Here are the basics:

    1. If you put a chemical in a bottle and claim that its ingredients prevents,
    kills, or otherwise stops bacteria, virus, or fungi from growing on a surface,
    your product is a pesticide and therefore MUST be registered with the EPA. You
    cannot hide behind treated articles exemption, you cannot hide behind “my
    product contains EPA approved chemcials” claim, and you cannot hide behind “my
    product has been used forever and is totally safe” claim.

    2. You must follow the language on the master label to the letter. You cannot
    take a pesticide registered for use on concrete in zoos and begin spraying it in
    homes calling it a “registered” mold inhibitor. Further, you cannot take a
    registered pesticide that is approved for hard surfaces and begin spraying it on
    building materials. The master label clearly states the range of approved
    surfaces that you can apply the pesticide to. (Sorry to end in a preposition)
    The EPA does not assume that just because your product is safe in one
    environment it is therefore safe in all environments. There is no universal
    application language at the EPA.

    3. You cannot exceed the claims on the master label. If the master label says
    that you must reapply the pesticide every 12 hours or every 3 months, then you
    cannot make any claim of performance beyond this period - period. Unless it says
    6 months on your label, you cannot say it protects surfaces for 6 months.

    4. You cannot take a registered pesticide and re-label the bottle with your
    name. You MUST use the label approved by the EPA. You cannot alter the label or
    the formulation in any way. If the label says the concentration of active
    ingredient is 20%, you cannot dilute the product to 1% and sell it unless the
    master label approves such dilution. Make any alterations to the label, and it’s
    a new label in the eyes of the EPA.

    5. You cannot take the product and add additional ingredients to it and legally
    sell it as a registered pesticide. The EPA only approves the product in its
    original form and concentration. If you make a chemical alteration, it is a new
    product and therefore must be registered.

    6. You must register your product with the environmental protection department
    in EVERY state that your product will be used. If you intend to sell your
    product for use in all 50 states, then you must FIRST register your product with
    the EPD in every state.

    So for review - It is illegal to apply a non-registered pesticide and just as
    illegal to mis-apply a registered pesticide. You must follow the master label to
    the letter and cannot make claims exceeding the master label. You must register
    your pesticide with every state prior to use in the state.

    What most in your industry seem to forget is the EPA is designed to protect both
    the health of the environment and the health of the public. A lot of the
    chemistry being applied today to prevent and inhibit mold is not registered,
    therefore, no one knows the safety or efficacy of the product. There are folks
    out there trying to make a quick buck at the expense of people’s health - both
    physically and financially. While they may actually believe their product is
    safe and effective, unless the EPA says so, it should not be used.

    As I stated, you (and everyone else in your industry) need the guidance of a
    pesticide/registration consultant. FIFRA violations are real, and the states do
    a good job of investigating violations. Your industry is rife with cowboys
    making all sorts of wild claims and preforming all sorts of crazy voodoo. Do
    yourself and the industry a real favor and play the game legally and ethically.
    It will be like a fresh spring breeze blowing through a moldy house.

    On 3/15/07, JMBrowne wrote:
    > Thanks for bringing these issues up. I would hope that in an industry such as
    > this, professionals should be as skeptical as possible and find out as much as
    > possible about the products they are using before they offer them to the
    > general public and put their business name on the line. With that said, we're
    > pretty new at this and we obviously need to learn a lot in order to provide a
    > product that people will have confidence in and we’re looking for help from
    > professionals in the field.
    > I get the impression (from reading other comments posted by Just Checking)
    > you are selling a product and you’re trying to discredit any other products
    > that are being mentioned. I hope I’m wrong. If I am, I apologize and if you
    > have some insight into the industry that you would like to share, we would be
    > very interested in talking with you. If I am right, eventually people will see
    > through it.
    > We have a product that we know works, the EPA has approved it, and we would
    > like to work with true industry professionals to make sure the product meets
    > their needs before we start actively marketing it. At this point we’re not
    > trying to sell anyone anything.
    > If you're reading this and you’re an industry professional that would like to
    > try the product, give us a call and we will be happy to send you free samples,
    > EPA documentation, lab results, MSDS sheets, etc. in exchange for your honest
    > evaluation. Don’t use it on paying customer’s homes, but put it through as
    > rigorous a testing process as you would do if it were being used on your home.
    > Tell us what testing criteria you consider to be most valid and credible and
    > we’ll go that route to give you the back up you need to confidently promote
    > this to your customers. If it doesn’t meet your expectations or requirements,
    > we won’t sell it.
    > “Just Checking”, I have addressed your specific comments below and would
    > appreciate any constructive feedback:
    > 1) Copper Sulphate products have been around for a while for good reason. Do
    > you think that they're all the same if they have the same base ingredient? If
    > so, you are wrong.
    > We are in several industries such as Roof Cleaning, Agriculture, Property
    > Maintenance, and Aquatics among others and we regularly compete against other
    > copper, copper sulphate, quat, and peroxide products – and the way each is
    > formulated, combined with other ingredients, and diluted makes them radically
    > different from each other in terms of their safety, effectiveness, and
    > suitability for any given purpose. If you are looking at one ingredient and
    > making a blanket determination based on that, you’re probably selling yourself
    > short.
    > 2) While they are different companies, Magna-Bon and Roof-A-Cide are owned by
    > the same people. If we need to sub-register, we will. Since we're not selling
    > it yet, that's not much of an issue. When the time comes, we’ll do what we
    > to in order to be in compliance with the EPA and any states we distribute to.
    > For right now, the EPA has given us approval for Mold Treatment and we’re
    > evaluating the market potential. If the product meets the needs of the market,
    > is profitable, and we plan to sell it - we’ll cross that bridge when we come
    > it.
    > 3) Our Pro-Tek product has many uses and different dilutions and application,
    > but you're mistaken about having to reapply it every 3-6 months in the case of
    > construction materials – we only reapply every 6 months on Tennis Courts and
    > Orange Trees. For construction materials it is a one-time application. We
    > have 5 to 10 year testing data; we just have independent lab reports and EPA
    > approval right now and we will build the rest if the market justifies the time
    > and expense.
    > 4) None right now. What would you recommend as an industry standard that has
    > the most credibility with professionals in the field?
    > 5) Please explain why preventing any of these would be necessary.
    > If the product is safe enough too be used in swimming pools, water
    > purification, feed additives for farm animals, etc – in addition to being
    > approved by the EPA for construction materials, why should anyone be concerned
    > about any of these as it relates to our product?
    > 6) It seems you are insinuating that the product is somehow unsafe. Please
    > correct me if I am wrong or explain why we might have to protect a builder if
    > homeowner found out the product had been used as a pretreatment of the studs,
    > trusses, foundation, & plywood. If the product is safe enough too be used in
    > swimming pools, water purification, feed additives for farm animals, fruit,
    > etc – in addition to being approved by the EPA for construction materials, why
    > in the world would a builder need protection?
    > If your statement is asking if we will be able to protect builders that create
    > a structure that allows water intrusion, then obviously the answer is “No”. I
    > don’t know of any product that will. If you do, please educate us on it.
    > John Browne
    > Roof-A-Cide
    > Professional Roof Cleaning & Stain Prevention
    > "The Treatment is the Cure"
    > Toll Free Tel: 800/806-6727
    > Toll Free Fax: 866/237-5855
    > On 3/12/07, Just Checking wrote:
    >> 1. Copper Sulfate Pentahydrate (CAS 7758-99-8) is a run-of-the-mill biocide
    >> and fungicide with many EPA registrations. It has been around for quite some
    >> time.
    >> 2. This registration is for Magna-Bon Pro-Tek not Roof-a-Cide Rid-A-Mold.
    >> You must have a subregistration if you intend selling under your trade name.
    >> 3. The product is for use in lakes, on plants, roofing material and building
    >> materials. Must be reapplied every 3 to 6 months. Where is your 5 to 10 year
    >> performance data?
    >> 4. What ASTM testing have you completed?
    >> 5. How do you prevent leaching, oxidation, human exposure, & potential
    >> indoor air quality pollution?
    >> 6. How do you legally protect the builders who agree to use the product from
    >> being sued by homeowners once they find out what’s in their house?
    >> On 3/11/07, John Browne wrote:
    >>> 66675-4
    >>> On 3/11/07, Jim wrote:
    >>>> What is your EPA number?
    >>>> Jim

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