Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill
Posted by Ozarks Lawyer on 3/04/05
You are making an awful lot of assumptions, which makes your approach as naive as your thesis. On 3/04/05, ff wrote: > > Thanks, Pat: > > It probably sounds crazy, and it's not as though I am naive or lack > exposure in the real world, but I still ask and wonder, why don't they > just do what is right. How does a person become someone that enjoys, and > profits, from damaging others? > > I suggest that if you took all the resources and energy that goes into the > whole picture, and re-applied to manufacturing, science, etc., that their > profits would be greater, and without the hassle? > > ff > > > On 3/04/05, Pat wrote: >> Dear ff: Dr. Ann Campbell and others write about this consolidated > effort >> of pesticide companies, perfume companies, etc. It has even been > reported >> in such literature that the previously mentioned Dr. Gots was paid > $10,000 >> for one article to discredit MCS. This is why these people must be held >> accountable. Of course, such a lawsuit would include the companies and >> not merely the propagandists. It's just like the tobacco lobby days. >> >> Now, concerning fatal errors of the proganda machine: >> >> 1a] They can mock MCS all that they want. It does not take away the fact >> that mainstream medicine already recognized Chemical Sensitivity "in >> case-specific form." And of course, the propaganda machine's objective >> was to convince the public that chemical-bearing should be allowed to >> proliferate everywhere, at regulation levels. And to do this, they > needed >> to convince the public that no one at any time ever suffers adverse >> ractivity from any chemical at low-to-moderate levels. So, they made the >> MCS suffer the scapegoat, calling each one mentally ill. But, they >> overlooked the fact that the exact same chemicals are avoided by asthma >> patients who did fail the very physiological ABG test, etc. Thus, on >> account of the duly diagnosed asthmatics, alone, those chemical-bearing >> substance must be harnassed. >> >> 1b] The propagandists always mention that the AAAAI rejected MCS as a >> valid diagnosis, in its official position statement. But, they never >> mentioned that, in the exact same statement, the AAAAI expressly >> recognized as valid the diagnostic title, "Building-related Illness." > And >> of course, that is Sick Building Syndrome + lingering sensitivies. Sick >> Building Syndrome (SBS) is also regarded as a cousion of MCS, by the way. >> So, the propaganda machine needed to discredit SBS as much as MCS. The >> AAAAI thwarted the propagand machine. As well, Fumento wrote a >> sterotypically sarcastic article, mocking Sick Building Syndrome, as well >> as an additional one or two, mocking the perfume sensitivity that > afflicts >> Sick Building Syndrome sufferers. Milloy did similar. By the way, Milloy >> expressly advocated bringing back DDT to the market. He called the DDT >> ban genocidal. That is the character of the propaganda machine. >> >> 1c] By the way, the same AAAAI, in the same position statement, also >> recognized Reactive Airway Dysfunction Syndrome as physiological illness >> and not a matter of "anxiety attacks". It also recognized >> Hypersensitivity Pneumonitis, as purely physiological and no psychiatric, >> also. So, in its attempt to discredit chemical sensitivity, the anti-MCS >> lobby cited the exact document that recognizes Chemical Sensitivity in >> "case-specific form". >> >> 2] Barrett gave himself away when he wrote "synthetic chemicals", > claiming >> that there is no evidence that anyone could be sensitized to the chemical >> industry's procudt line. Well, if I were a hired propagandist, I would >> have simply mentioned that not all chemical sensitivity triggers are >> limited to the chemical industry's product line. Rather, some chemical >> sensitvity triggers are found in unprocessed nature, as is the case in >> untreated pine, peruvian lily, willow bark, tulip, and primose. I would >> have said, "Some people are allergic to pine. But, that does not mean >> that you cut down all the pine trees in the forests." "Some people are >> allergic to freshly cut grass. But, that does not mean that you uproot >> all the grass in the world." "Some workers get sensitized to cotton dust >> and develop a respiratory illness known as byssinossis. But, that doesn't >> mean that you bury all the cotton in the world." You simply give these >> people their allergy-free climates. But, the propaganda machine didn't > do >> this. This shows intentional deceit. This indicates that: >> >> 1] either they knew that there was a harm factor in the perfume, >> pesticide, and chemical industry's product line. >> >> 2] or they are so greedy and selfish that they want their product line >> sold and applied everywhere unrestrictedly. >> >> 3] or both. >> >> You know what, there is something deadly wrong with a society that > insists >> on even having its toilet paper scented. This is gluttony. By the way, >> do you know why certain people are fixated on having scents everywhere >> they go? Ans: To stimulate their bored adrenal system. In fact, that > is >> the exact same reason why certain people frequented horror movies. All >> that these people have to do to is take up vigorous exercise: >> return sprints, full court basketball, tennis, trampoline, etc. Simply >> get a punching bag or some rope to skip. Sprint up hillsides. It has to >> be something that breaks a sweat and makes a person feel free. That will >> do it. Scent gluttony is the result of a sedentary society. >> >> On 3/04/05, ff wrote: >>> Pat, Patrick,and all: >>> >>> "Junk Science" is, of course, not my term, but thank you for your >>> feedback and additional thoughts. >>> >>> What comes to mind after reading your references to MCS, and >>> those "scientists" supported by industry that may conduct fraudulent >>> science efforts to suppress a medical consensus which would ultimately >>> place liability on chemical manufacturers, is the Chemical >>> Manufacturers _________ (If I have the name correct, an association?). >>> >>> In previous discussions on this board, reference was made to such an >>> industry organization's plan/recommendations on how to handle the >>> merging MCS issue. As I recall, it was pretty crude. I'm still >>> baffled that huge corporations with the resources to do things right, >>> don't mind screwing up so bad. The screw-ups contradict the portrayed >>> corporate image, but seem to go relatively un-noticed. >>> >>> Is it possible that an 'association' comprised of specific corporate >>> entities is behind a fraudulent science effort (just avoiding the term >>> junk science)? If so, is there something wrong with such an effort? >>> >>> ff >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/03/05, Pat wrote: >>>> ff: I should finish this train of thought with you. If want to see >>>> how an actual expert writes look up a Dr. William Meggs, Vice Chair >>>> for Clinical Affairs, Division of Toxicology, Department of Emergency >>>> Medicine, East Carolina University. >>>> >>>> On 3/03/05, ff wrote: >>>>> Patrick: >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure about the firm and issue you raise, but it seems >>>>> related to a question I have wondered about. Hypothetically >>>>> speaking: >>>>> >>>>> If, by some sufficient means, it was learned that a group of >>>>> professionals, doctors for example,profited by "creating" >>>>> scientific studies and or testimony which they knew were really >>>>> not scientifically valid, for a profit, and these invalid >>>>> resources became useful in denying medical claims and essentially >>>>> diseases, thereby causing the victim to continue to siffer and the >>>>> condition to worsen, are the creators of the junk science in some >>>>> way responsible for those affected? >>>>> >>>>> I guess, creating junk science for a profit with the intent or >>>>> knowledge that people could suffer if the junk science and/or >>>>> testimony were applied/used against those suffereing may be an >>>>> easier way to express this. >>>>> >>>>> I could imagine someone >>>> approaching a scientist and asking them to >>>>> develop a study that could be used to support the desired outcome >>>>> that product X did not cause symtoms 1,2,3..., and, regardless of >>>>> whether or not X did cause the problem. I guess, starting out >>>>> with a desired conclusion, and them manipulating a research >>>>> project to supported the desired conclusion? >>>>> >>>>> ff >>>>> >>>>> On 3/02/05, JD wrote: >>>>>> At last! What a relief. Cowgirl Mary is both "speachless" >>>>> and >>>>>> "speechless"... Double the pleasure! >>>>>> >>>>>> JD >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/01/05, mary wrote: >>>>>>> See? And Speechless too... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3/01/05, mary wrote: >>>>>>>> Wow...... I'm speachless.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mary >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/28/05, Patrick wrote: >>>>>>>>> Question: Which law firm can find the legal foundation upon >>>>>>>>> which to file a class action defamation suit against the >>>>>>>>> duly noted Barrett/Fumento/Milloy/Gots/Stossel and company >>>>>>>>> propaganda machine? Such a lawsuit would be on behalf of >>>>>>>>> every Chemical Sensitivity sufferer in the States, including >>>>>>>>> those Chemical Sensitivity sufferers formally diagnosed with >>>>>>>>> the following titles: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1a] Occupational Asthma due to low-molecular weight agents. >>>>>>>>> 1b] Irritant-induced Asthma. >>>>>>>>> 2] Chemical Worker's Lung. >>>>>>>>> 3] External Allergic Alveolitis, aka Hypersensitivity >>>>>>>>> Pneumonitis "due to chemical sensitization." >>>>>>>>> 4] Reactive Airway Dysfunction Syndrome. >>>>>>>>> 5] World Trade Center Cough. >>>>>>>>> 6] Sick Building Syndrome; a diagnostic title which is >>>>>>>>> even recognized in the Merck Manual. >>>>>>>>> 7] Stevens-Johnson Syndrome. >>>>>>>>> 8] Acute Generalized Exanthematous Pustulosi. >>>>>>>>> 9a] Chronic Actinic Dermatitis. >>>>>>>>> 9b] Occupational Dermatitis. >>>>>>>>> 10] Phthalic Anhydride Hypersensitivity. >>>>>>>>> 11] And of course, the Multiple Chemical Sensitivity which >>>>>>>>> is now recognized by name, by the following >>>>>>>>> licensed & accredited entities, in each one's >>>>>>>>> Occupatonal & Environmental Medicine Programs: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I] Johns Hopkins. >>>>>>>>> II] Mt. Sinai Hospital. >>>>>>>>> III] Yale. >>>>>>>>> IV] Cambridge Hospital (affiliate of Harvard Med. School.) >>>>>>>>> V] Northeast Specialty Hospital (also Harvard affiliate.) >>>>>>>>> VI] University of Medicine & Dentistry of New Jersey. >>>>>>>>> VII] HealthPartners-Regions Hospital, Minneapolis >>>>>>>>> (affiliate of the NIOSH Educational Resource Ctr.) >>>>>>>>> VIII] Central New York Health Occupational Clinical Center. >>>>>>>>> IX] Marshall University. >>>>>>>>> X+] a number of board certified and licensed physicians. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Plus, there is the technologically advanced nation of >>>>>>>>> Germany which coded MCS as "an allergic condition." >>>>>>>>> And there are also a notable number of licensed entities >>>>>>>>> which recognize the titles: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Indoor Air Quality Assessment", "Building-related Illness", >>>>>>>>> "Sick Building Syndrome", "Environmentally-related >>>>>>>>> Diseases", "Chronic Chemical Exposure", "Chemically-induced >>>>>>>>> Illness", "Occupationally-induced Illness", etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And this includes the world renown Duke, as well as Iowa >>>>>>>>> Univ., Boston Medical Ctr., the Univ. of Maryland, and the >>>>>>>>> Univ. of Pittsburgh (home of the polio vaccine and first >>>>>>>>> liver transplant.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, there is the matter of including CFS sufferers >>>>>>>>> and GWS sufferers. Of course, GWS sufferers have apparently >>>>>>>>> suffered the most defamation of all the Chemical Sensitivity >>>>>>>>> sufferers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps, and only perhaps, a subset of patients who were >>>>>>>>> diagnosed with the following 'medically accepted' diagnostic >>>>>>>>> titles can be included: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1] Chemically-induced Hepatitis, 2] Chemically-induced >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Aplastic Anemia (Bone Marrow Suppression). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The subset, of course, would consist in those who suffered >>>>>>>>> lingering sensitivity beyond the acute stage. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Such a lawsuit would not be against any licensed practicing >>>>>>>>> physician, it seems. After all, Barret was never board >>>>>>>>> certified at anything in his life, and he never praticed >>>>>>>>> "physical" medicine since his internship days, ending in >>>>>>>>> 1957. Gots hadn't had a patient in decades, so say the >>>>>>>>> reports. As well, neither Fumento nor Stossel nor Milloy >>>>>>>>> have ever been doctors in any medical discipline. And of >>>>>>>>> course, the only non-licensed (or non-Doctorate-bearing) >>>>>>>>> person qualified to give sound & valid evidence into the MCS >>>>>>>>> matter is one who has suffered from the physiological >>>>>>>>> medical condition for years. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nor would such a lawsuit be against the pharmaceutical >>>>>>>>> industry, unless of course, discovery would should that the >>>>>>>>> pharmaceutical industry funded any of the defamatory >>>>>>>>> propagandists for producing the defamatory things which they >>>>>>>>> did. That would be a subsequent filing and joinder. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Barret/Fumento/Milloy/Stossel & company propaganda >>>>>>>>> machine employed slight-of-hand semantics & convenient >>>>>>>>> evidence omission in asserting to the inexperienced public >>>>>>>>> that Chemical Sensitivity is entirely a process of mental >>>>>>>>> illness, instead of a physiological process accompanied with >>>>>>>>> the following physiological medical findings: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1] Inflammation Scenarios, such as Turbinate Hypertrophy >>>>>>>>> & Interstitial Inflammation. >>>>>>>>> 2] Failing the Arterial Blood Gases Test. >>>>>>>>> 3] Dermatitis scenarios and similar. >>>>>>>>> 4] Enzyme QPon-1 Deficiency. >>>>>>>>> 5] Erythema, even internally. >>>>>>>>> 6] Over Production of Leukotrienes, such as LTD4. >>>>>>>>> 7] The Production of N-acetyl-benzoquinoneimine in >>>>>>>>> excess of the Mercapturate which neutralizes it. >>>>>>>>> 8] Elevations of Alanine Aminotransferase, >>>>>>>>> aka Serum Glutamic Pyruvic Transaminase. >>>>>>>>> 9] Hyperactive Conjugations and Deficient Conjugations. >>>>>>>>> 10] Visible and Measurable Wheals during Skin Testing. >>>>>>>>> etc., etc., etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And then there is the matter P-300 Waves, IgA immunoglobins, >>>>>>>>> T-Cells, porphyira, and the observable and non-deniable >>>>>>>>> symptom of Profuse Dry Heaving, as well as that of >>>>>>>>> Blacking-Out. All in all, the smoking gun was the Fiber >>>>>>>>> Optic Rhinolaryngoscopic Exam and the medical findings >>>>> thereof. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The defamatory propaganda resulted in the deprivation of >>>>>>>>> research funding. Furthermore, how many ignorant persons in >>>>>>>>> America believed the conclusions of Barret/Stossel/Fumento >>>>>>>>> and refused to accomodate a chemical sensitivity sufferer in >>>>>>>>> a time of crisis? How much suffering has that propaganda >>>>>>>>> machine caused? In as much, all Chemical Sensitivity >>>>>>>>> sufferers have suffered triply: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1] at the hands of the illness, >>>>>>>>> 2] at the hands of a ruthless form of defamation, >>>>>>>>> 3] at the hands of abandonment for years, due to >>>>>>>>> little research funding and outrightly lazy physicians >>>>>>>>> who make lots of money upon one nitch repetitively, >>>>>>>>> steamlining their practices to a comfortable laziness. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At this point in time, the plaintiff-class of Chemical >>>>>>>>> Sensitivity Sufferers would have mainstream medicine on it's >>>>>>>>> side. After all, the AMA, AAAAI, and American Lung >>>>>>>>> Association all recognize Chemical Sensitivity as it applies >>>>>>>>> to the ASTHMA symptom. And the AAAAI & AMA recognize it as >>>>>>>>> it applies to Dermatitis, Aspririn/Salicylate Senstivity, >>>>>>>>> Ramin Wood Allergy, Acetaminophen Intolerance, Red Cedar >>>>>>>>> Allergy, Peruvian Lily Allergy, Isocyanate Sensitivity, >>>>>>>>> Phthalic Anhydride Hypersensitivty, etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Moreover, the AMA, AAAAI, & ALA all advocate the practice of >>>>>>>>> AVOIDANCE as a necessary part of treatment for the >>>>>>>>> chemically sensitive, as it applies to asthmatics. Their >>>>>>>>> official literature enumerates the same chemical-bearing >>>>>>>>> agents that MCS patients has been avoiding for years, out of >>>>>>>>> instinct. And remember, Barrett condemned the practice of >>>>>>>>> AVOIDANCE as detrimental, while Fumento called the practice >>>>>>>>> "nonsense." Thus is the proof that Barrett is the real >>>>>>>>> quack, speaking contrary to the AMA & AAAAI. (Fumento is >>>>>>>>> simply a pushy-shovey brat who needs to be put his place, as >>>>>>>>> all bully-brats picking on helpless people need to be.) >>>>>>>>> Furthermore, comdemning the practice of AVOIDANCE, while >>>>>>>>> asserting that Chemical Sensitivity patients must be placed >>>>>>>>> in direct encounter with the triggers that torment them, is >>>>>>>>> the act of inciting a crime known in some jurisdictions as >>>>>>>>> TOXIC BATTERY. Thus, Fumento and Barret have publicly >>>>>>>>> advocated the committing of crimes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Proof that the AMA, AAAI, & ALA recognize Chemical >>>>>>>>> Sensitivity, at least as it applies to the ASTHMA symptom, >>>>>>>>> can be found at the following mainstream medical sites: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> AMA Report 4 of the Council of Scientific Affairs (A-98), >>>>>>>>> found at http://ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/13603.html >>>>>>>>> The other ones are found at: >>>>>>>>> http://bdapps/ama-assn/org/aps/asthma/manage.htm >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://aaaai.org/patients/publications/publicedmat/tips/ >>>>>> asthmatriggersandmgmt.stm >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.lungusa.org/site/apps/s/content.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b= >>>>>> 34706&ct=67442 >>>>>>>>> http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec04/ch044a/html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The propaganda mahcine fraudulently went about, claiming >>>>>>>>> that the AMA & AAAAI condemned MCS as non-existent. This is >>>>>>>>> a lie. The AMA & AAAAI merely declined to recognize the >>>>>>>>> specific title, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, as a >>>>>>>>> case-specific diagnostic title of its own medical code. >>>>>>>>> This is because MCS is too vague and non-case-specific of a >>>>>>>>> name. The AMA & AAAAI merely said that more research was >>>>>>>>> needed to be done, in order them to encapsulate MCS into a >>>>>>>>> meticulously defined and analysed "case definition". And >>>>>>>>> though they did not recognize Multiple Chemical Sensitivity >>>>>>>>> by name, they still recognized the phenomenon of Sensitivity >>>>>>>>> of Chemicals. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mainstreams Medical Science has long since recognized the >>>>>>>>> process of "sensitization." And it has long since >>>>>>>>> recognized the phenomenon of hypersensitivity to >>>>>>>>> chemical-bearing agents when encountered by susceptible >>>>>>>>> persons, at commonly encounter levels (at low to moderate >>>>>>>>> levels). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The MCS debate has been game of semantics. The anti-MCS >>>>>>>>> lobby went beyond the sound barriers of obsecenity. All >>>>>>>>> contributing members must be held accountable.
Posts on this thread, including this one
- Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Milloy , 2/28/05, by Patrick .
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/01/05, by mary.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/01/05, by mary.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/02/05, by JD.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/03/05, by ff.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/03/05, by CC.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/03/05, by SF.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/03/05, by v.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/03/05, by Patrick again.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/03/05, by Pat.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/03/05, by Pat.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/03/05, by Ozarks Lawyer.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/03/05, by Pat.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/04/05, by v.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/04/05, by ff.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret - Hey Pat, 3/04/05, by mary.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret - Hey Pat, 3/04/05, by The other Patrick.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/04/05, by Pat.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/04/05, by ff.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret - Hey Pat, 3/04/05, by Mary.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/04/05, by Ozarks Lawyer.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/04/05, by Pat.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/04/05, by Pat.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/04/05, by Pat: P.S..
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/04/05, by Ozarks Lawyer.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/04/05, by Pat.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/04/05, by v.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/04/05, by v.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/05/05, by ff.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/05/05, by ff.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/05/05, by Pat.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/05/05, by ff.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/05/05, by Pat.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/05/05, by v.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/06/05, by Pat.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 3/06/05, by v.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 5/06/05, by PostScription.
- Re: Johns Hopkins, Yale, Mt. Sinai, etc, 5/06/05, by Postscript.
- Re: Northeast Specialty Hospital's COEM, 5/08/05, by Added PostScript.
- Re: Class Action Defamation Suit against Barret/Fumento/Mill, 10/13/05, by RITA VEMA.
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