Re: Distinguishing between the fakes, real, and psychologica

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On 3/06/03, Pat wrote:
> Hey Mary, I would have replied sooner but my mouse is not working well.
>
>>>>What are your thoughts on how one might distinguish a person
> experiencing mcs from someone who is not, but believes they are, or
> alternatively, is falsely claiming mcs and seeking monetary
> compensation from another party?<<<
>
> People who believe they have MCS need to have challenge testing done.
> There are imaging and blood tests that can be done in alleged MCS cases
> under challenge conditions. There are other challenge tests to do as well,
> if neccessary. If the results are positive, then the person really does
> have MCS. Stephen barret is aware of this fact but has not once responded
> to it.
>
> What's interesting is that some people can have what I call a
> "psychological sensitivity". An example of how this can occur is as
> follows: A young person (say age 6 or so) is molested, raped, or undergoes
> some other traumatic event. However let's say that during that traumatic
> event, there was a perfume scent in the air.
>
> Later on in life, when that person smells perfume or fragrance similar to
> the smell present during the trauma, then the person may have a
> sub-conscious reaction to the smell, which is then manifested physically.
>
> My point is that just because someone does not have the real MCS doesn't
> necessarily mean they are faking. For such people, some form of therapy
> that goes into the sub-conscious would most likely be beneficial.
>
> Also, chemicals are known to worsen eczema so if a person only has a skin
> reaction to chemicals, but is unaffected in other organs/systems, then it
> is not MCS (I am aware of three times that MCS has been "clearly" defined,
> and each definition makes it clear that symptoms must occur in multiple
> organs/ systems for the label of "MCS"). And some people have chemical
> irritant asthma, but not MCS.
>
> For people who are known to be faking, they should be set in their proper
> place. I cannot stand people like that.

PERHAPS IT PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO MISJUDGE PEOPLE FOR BEING FAKES AND THINK
YOU CAN GIVE THEM THE HARDEST TIME EVER CONTINUING TO IGNORANTLY EXPOSE
THEM TO TOXINS JUST BECAUSE LET'S SAY MAYBE YOU KNOW THEM PERSONALLY, THAT
THEY HAVE NEVER GOTTEN DOCUMENTS WITH A DIAGNOSIS OF HAVING MCS FROM A
DOCTOR, BECAUSE MAYBE EITHER THEY COULDN'T FIND A DOCTOR THAT RECOGNIZES
MCS, OR PERHAPS THEY JUST CAN'T AFFORD ONE?????????? STILL YOU HAVE NO
RIGHT MAKING JUDGEMENTS AND THINKING YOU CAN CONTROL HOW MISERABLE THEY
REALLY FEEL! I CAN'T STAND PEOPLE LIKE THAT!
>
>>>> Going a step further... How might one distinguish symptoms of mcs
> OCCURING at some location, say a workplace, from symptoms of mcs
> CAUSED by that workplace.<<<
>
> Aside from doing the challenge testing mentioned above, careful
> observations could be useful. If it is work caused then a week off should
> improve the sufferer's symptoms and there should be at least one other
> person with symptoms.

THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE ON PAIN KILLERS (aspirin), AND DRUGS, SO I
REALLY DOUBT ANYONE REALLY KNOWS WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE BEING EFFECTED BY
CHEMICAL EXPOSURE. YOU CAN'T REALLY GO BY WHO AND HOW MANY ARE GETTING THE
SYMPTOMS UNDER THE SAME WORK ENVIRONMENT. ALSO, MANY PEOPLE FEEL GLUTTON
FOR SUFFERING AND BELIEVE IT'S BETTER TO KEEP A LOW PROFILE AND JUST NOT
COMPLAIN ABOUT THE CHEMICALS, BUT MOST COMMONLY, JUST REACH FOR THE QUICK
FIX PILL, AND AREN'T OUR DRUG STORE SHELVES FILLED WITH THESE IF YOU EVER
NOTICED???

Again, the challenge testing is really the best way
> to tell.
>
I REFUSE TO BE BRANDED AS A FAKER BY ANYONE WHO THINKS THEY MAY KNOW ME,
AND CAUSE ME ADDED MISERY WITH THEIR NEGLIGENCE. MINUS ALL THIS IN DEPTH
DATA TALK ABOUT MCS, AND PSYCHO-ILLNESSES, THE VERY DOWN TO EARTH FACT, IF
YOU CAN COME DOWN TO THAT LEVEL IS...TOXINS DO NOT BELONG IN THE HUMAN
BODY. IT IS QUITE LOGICAL, BUT NOT IMAGINERY, NOR EXCUSE-MAKING, IF A
PERSON DOES BECOME EFFECTED. IT IS NORMAL. IF YOU AREN'T EFFECTED, YOU'RE
EITHER NUMBED OUT ON DRUGS, OR YOU'RE MADE OF IRON. AS LONG AS I AM IN THE
BODY OF THE PERSON WHO IS FEELING THESE SYMPTOMS, OBVIOUSLY CAUSED BY
CHEMICAL EXPOSURE, SINCE IT HAPPENS RIGHT AFTER THE EXPOSURE, THAT IS THE
ONLY PROOF I NEED. ALSO, LET ME ADD THAT PERFUMES ARE NARCOTIC, AS THE
MANUFACTURERS WAY TO SELL THE PRODUCT AND KEEP PEOPLE ADDICTED TO THE
SCENT, SO THIS CAN VERY WELL HAVE ADVERSE REACTIONS ON PEOPLE SMELLING THE
PERFUME. NO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO STEM FROM A CHILDHOOD TRAUMA. LET'S GET REAL
AND BLAME IT ON THE ENVIRONMENT, THE CHEMICAL COMPANIES, AND STOP TRYING TO
HURT PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY HURTING, BY ACCUSING THEM OF BEING MENTALLY ILL
AND TRYING TO SHOVE MORE CHEMICALS (MEDICATIONS) INTO THEIR PRECIOUS BLOOD
STREAMS!
> I hope this was helpful,
>
> ~ Pat
>
>

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