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    Re: Oh No, not SCIENCE?

    Posted by AZ Jack on 5/12/03

    On 5/12/03,AZ Jack:

    If memory serves me correctly, I recall dogs are or were used in
    Europe to detect toxic mold. The problem was the dogs would
    become hypersensitized and would have to be retired. HELLO.
    I would bet the dogs out on disablility probably had better
    benefits than our Workers Comp. system offers.

    On 5/12/03, ff wrote:
    > Thanks Sarah H.
    > Good point! There must be one or more simple or complex
    > organisms that can serve as indicators for a toxic problem.
    > Sentinel animals, nothing new. If dogs can detect explosives,
    > termites, and provide early warnings for epileptic seizures,
    > possibly dogs could be used for detecting toxic mold?
    > No joking here, just trying to make a point that something can
    > be done. According to Time Magazine, the military has the
    > capability to instantly detect upone release, a chemical or
    > biolgocal agent from a disatnce of 25 miles, so what't the big
    > deal on the domestic front?
    > On 5/12/03, SaraH wrote:
    >> If memory serves wasn't it the Condors in California that
    >> finally alerted officials of DDT in the environment? Their
    >> shells became so fragile that they broke when the birds sat
    >> on the nest. Your sensitive populations as scientist were
    >> already studying due to their protective status and declining
    >> population.
    >> SaraH
    >> On 5/11/03, ff wrote:
    >>> Message for Mr. Connell/Scientists:
    >>> OK, enough bickering. Take a new approach to answering
    >>> first is there a problem or not, as opposed to anything-but-
    >>> mold or as you say(ABM), it "must be mold" (MBM)?
    >>> Isn't there a way to run a few tests to see what's going
    >>> on? In agriculture for example, for herbicides that are
    >>> effective below detectable levels (immunoassay and chemical
    >>> analysis), bioassays are done using sensitive plant species
    >>> as indicators for residual effects. Possibly you're
    >>> missing something?
    >>> Is there an organism, a plant, an insect, a microbe,
    >>> mice/rats, birds, something that can be used to indicate
    >>> an effect in homes/structures where complaints occur?
    >>> Recall Dr. James Moss that identified a synergistic effect
    >>> using bioassays, insects exposed to more-than-one-thing
    >>> combinations gave tremendous increases in toxicity, at
    >>> least to the insect used.
    >>> Maybe there is something present that is being missed or
    >>> escapes your effort? An organism, a toxin, a combination?
    >>> Possibly this bio-assay type effort could be useful? Near
    >>> our site, neighbors complained that their pet birds were
    >>> dying. What if you found some living organism that shows
    >>> an effect, only in homes when specific organisms and/or
    >>> materials are present? Next, do some bio-assays in the
    >>> homes (and lab) using various materials, and see if any
    >>> promote or inhibit growth.
    >>> At any rate, it's worth considering when people are
    >>> reporting effects and you do not know what the cause/s is.
    >>> Reproducing effects using bio-assays (or other means) seems
    >>> essential to any legitimate science effort, it's all about
    >>> reproducibility as the scientists tell me.
    >>> FF

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