Re: Oh No, not SCIENCE?

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On 5/12/03,AZ Jack:

If memory serves me correctly, I recall dogs are or were used in
Europe to detect toxic mold. The problem was the dogs would
become hypersensitized and would have to be retired. HELLO.
I would bet the dogs out on disablility probably had better
benefits than our Workers Comp. system offers.

On 5/12/03, ff wrote:
>
> Thanks Sarah H.
>
> Good point! There must be one or more simple or complex
> organisms that can serve as indicators for a toxic problem.
> Sentinel animals, nothing new. If dogs can detect explosives,
> termites, and provide early warnings for epileptic seizures,
> possibly dogs could be used for detecting toxic mold?
>
> No joking here, just trying to make a point that something can
> be done. According to Time Magazine, the military has the
> capability to instantly detect upone release, a chemical or
> biolgocal agent from a disatnce of 25 miles, so what't the big
> deal on the domestic front?
>
>
>
> On 5/12/03, SaraH wrote:
>> If memory serves wasn't it the Condors in California that
>> finally alerted officials of DDT in the environment? Their
>> shells became so fragile that they broke when the birds sat
>> on the nest. Your sensitive populations as scientist were
>> already studying due to their protective status and declining
>> population.
>> SaraH
>>
>> On 5/11/03, ff wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Message for Mr. Connell/Scientists:
>>>
>>> OK, enough bickering. Take a new approach to answering
>>> first is there a problem or not, as opposed to anything-but-
>>> mold or as you say(ABM), it "must be mold" (MBM)?
>>>
>>> Isn't there a way to run a few tests to see what's going
>>> on? In agriculture for example, for herbicides that are
>>> effective below detectable levels (immunoassay and chemical
>>> analysis), bioassays are done using sensitive plant species
>>> as indicators for residual effects. Possibly you're
>>> missing something?
>>>
>>> Is there an organism, a plant, an insect, a microbe,
>>> mice/rats, birds, something that can be used to indicate
>>> an effect in homes/structures where complaints occur?
>>> Recall Dr. James Moss that identified a synergistic effect
>>> using bioassays, insects exposed to more-than-one-thing
>>> combinations gave tremendous increases in toxicity, at
>>> least to the insect used.
>>>
>>> Maybe there is something present that is being missed or
>>> escapes your effort? An organism, a toxin, a combination?
>>> Possibly this bio-assay type effort could be useful? Near
>>> our site, neighbors complained that their pet birds were
>>> dying. What if you found some living organism that shows
>>> an effect, only in homes when specific organisms and/or
>>> materials are present? Next, do some bio-assays in the
>>> homes (and lab) using various materials, and see if any
>>> promote or inhibit growth.
>>>
>>> At any rate, it's worth considering when people are
>>> reporting effects and you do not know what the cause/s is.
>>> Reproducing effects using bio-assays (or other means) seems
>>> essential to any legitimate science effort, it's all about
>>> reproducibility as the scientists tell me.
>>>
>>> FF
>>>

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