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    Re: Man's best friend, thanks Jack

    Posted by ff on 5/12/03

    AZ JAck?

    Thanks for the information on the dogs...possibly others can
    contribute based on their knowledge? Is that AZ as in Arizona in
    your name? On the subject of mold, fungi, and the microbial
    community, didn't something go wrong out in your area a few years
    back? As I recall, thousands of people developed respiratory
    infections that were attributed to soilborne organisms that
    were "ubiquitous" in the environment(in close proximity to a major
    agricultural field crop region?) If so, was this documented and
    the organism identified?

    I appreciate any post that adds credibility to reasonable thoughts
    and suggestions.

    Thanks again,


    On 5/12/03, AZ Jack wrote:
    > On 5/12/03,AZ Jack:
    > If memory serves me correctly, I recall dogs are or were used in
    > Europe to detect toxic mold. The problem was the dogs would
    > become hypersensitized and would have to be retired. HELLO.
    > I would bet the dogs out on disablility probably had better
    > benefits than our Workers Comp. system offers.
    > On 5/12/03, ff wrote:
    >> Thanks Sarah H.
    >> Good point! There must be one or more simple or complex
    >> organisms that can serve as indicators for a toxic problem.
    >> Sentinel animals, nothing new. If dogs can detect explosives,
    >> termites, and provide early warnings for epileptic seizures,
    >> possibly dogs could be used for detecting toxic mold?
    >> No joking here, just trying to make a point that something can
    >> be done. According to Time Magazine, the military has the
    >> capability to instantly detect upone release, a chemical or
    >> biolgocal agent from a disatnce of 25 miles, so what't the big
    >> deal on the domestic front?
    >> On 5/12/03, SaraH wrote:
    >>> If memory serves wasn't it the Condors in California that
    >>> finally alerted officials of DDT in the environment? Their
    >>> shells became so fragile that they broke when the birds sat
    >>> on the nest. Your sensitive populations as scientist were
    >>> already studying due to their protective status and declining
    >>> population.
    >>> SaraH
    >>> On 5/11/03, ff wrote:
    >>>> Message for Mr. Connell/Scientists:
    >>>> OK, enough bickering. Take a new approach to answering
    >>>> first is there a problem or not, as opposed to anything-but-
    >>>> mold or as you say(ABM), it "must be mold" (MBM)?
    >>>> Isn't there a way to run a few tests to see what's going
    >>>> on? In agriculture for example, for herbicides that are
    >>>> effective below detectable levels (immunoassay and chemical
    >>>> analysis), bioassays are done using sensitive plant species
    >>>> as indicators for residual effects. Possibly you're
    >>>> missing something?
    >>>> Is there an organism, a plant, an insect, a microbe,
    >>>> mice/rats, birds, something that can be used to indicate
    >>>> an effect in homes/structures where complaints occur?
    >>>> Recall Dr. James Moss that identified a synergistic effect
    >>>> using bioassays, insects exposed to more-than-one-thing
    >>>> combinations gave tremendous increases in toxicity, at
    >>>> least to the insect used.
    >>>> Maybe there is something present that is being missed or
    >>>> escapes your effort? An organism, a toxin, a combination?
    >>>> Possibly this bio-assay type effort could be useful? Near
    >>>> our site, neighbors complained that their pet birds were
    >>>> dying. What if you found some living organism that shows
    >>>> an effect, only in homes when specific organisms and/or
    >>>> materials are present? Next, do some bio-assays in the
    >>>> homes (and lab) using various materials, and see if any
    >>>> promote or inhibit growth.
    >>>> At any rate, it's worth considering when people are
    >>>> reporting effects and you do not know what the cause/s is.
    >>>> Reproducing effects using bio-assays (or other means) seems
    >>>> essential to any legitimate science effort, it's all about
    >>>> reproducibility as the scientists tell me.
    >>>> FF

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