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    Posted by ff on 7/18/03

    OK johncodie, got you, I understand. My reference is to a bias that is as simple as money and power over time.
    People get burned because of suppression bias. Can't help much with the southern drawl.


    On 7/18/03, johncodie wrote:
    > The man is referring to building inspectors that inspected his home, that later got laws passed not making them
    > not liable for thier over looking problems in bu ildings. Case in point are the people that burned to death due
    > to the fireworks set off in the club, had inspections, and the current laws protect those who overlook, or look
    > the other way.
    > Most recent trips to Boston, and hearing a southern drawl; people what to know about how we caused such suffering
    > of a class group a hundred years ago, in a period of the country called slavery and slave trade. Excuse me, what
    > does that have to do with having or retaining a southern drawl.
    > We proceed on down to Martha's Vineyard from the Ferry and come to a local church for tour and look to find some
    > air conditioning. Well the proprietor for the church is from Bella Batra Al. We ask her where Chapaqitic is
    > since we thought there would be a marker or sign, of its historical signficance. With a polite smile she respond
    > that the local will be reluctant to even respond to the question.
    > My point is bias between individuals, or groups may be as simple or complex as a time in history, and a way of
    > life, or a geographical location on a map. If I have a southern drawl why am I guilty of slavery, while when
    > asked of a historical landmark, it is a subject that is very curtly ignored.
    > On 7/18/03, ff wrote:
    >> Last message:
    >> More clearly, consider that by the time Mr. Moultous approached persons in responsible positions, they had
    >> already formed opinions based on biased/suppressed science. This places Mr. Moultous, and all others, at the
    >> disadvantage of having to change opinions, almost an impossibility at that point.
    >> Credibility is also an obstacle standing in the way of changing (invalid) opinions. Face it, either of us an
    >> individuals are considered less credible than research and other scientists from agencies, institutiuons, and
    >> corporations.
    >> Another factor that should not be over looked is the difference in perspectives, yours for example, versus an
    >> agency or politician that has to deal with hundreds or thousands of similar cases, routinely. Even the most
    >> sympathetic could be subject to callous from being overloaded, underfunded, and yet bombarded with pleas for
    >> help on an individual or personal basis.
    >> ffbb
    >> On 7/18/03, ff wrote:
    >>> johncodie:
    >>> You are still pretty far off from anything I have tried to convey. I appreciate Mr. Moultous' effort, and
    >>> regret his family's health problems, but somehow, if you want to make a change, letters like Mr. Moultous
    >>> need to be recognized as potentially damaging to his effort rather than beneficial (I have written a few
    >>> myself). I propose that a beneficial effort should be focused on those entities responsible for suppression
    >>> bias. Then, legitimate entities are presented accurate information rather than unknowingly, having already
    >>> formed invalid opinions, formed as a result of suppression bias. We will not live long enough to make
    >>> accomplishments by APPEARING as a whinining, nagging, entity to others that don't want to hear it in the
    >>> first place.
    >>> ff
    >>> On 7/18/03, johncodie wrote:
    >>>> My first introduction to Ken Moultous on the sickbuilding board yahoo was veiwing a hospital bed that was
    >>>> in his home for his son. Ken had to move back to Oklahoma to have a place to live after suffering all the
    >>>> years of inactivity. At first the assumptions are wow what a whiner, or this guy must be a mental case.
    >>>> But after a few years and realization that nursing homes are abusing our loved ones by neglect and finally
    >>>> pass laws to protect. The unfortunate families that provide hospital home care for a loved one has little
    >>>> to no laws to protect the quality of air, or housing for their most desperate citizens. While bed ridden
    >>>> they are protected by the same Constitutional Rights of every other able bodied man and woman.
    >>>> Bias starts with the individual and extends across state lines. As a ragging range fire threating
    >>>> thousands of families across our nation, legislation is being passed to study the effects of fire on
    >>>> dewelling. To much time is being lost in the time period. We need updated building codes,and laws for
    >>>> TEXAS flood victims now; Minimum moisture readings within a building over a time period before it has to
    >>>> be ripped open and remediated. The days of it will dry, and paint stain block over it and path it are over.
    >>>> Mr. Moultous
    >>>> From:
    >>>> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:03:15 EDT
    >>>> Subject: For the hearing on SB657
    >>>> To:,
    >>>> CC:,,
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    >>>> For the hearing on SB657 (please forward to the committee) -
    >>>> July 17, 2003
    >>>> I was unable to attend the hearing on SB657, Toxic Mold bill by Rob O'Leary, on July 16, 2003 at the State
    >>>> House. My family and I are sick and recovering from the severe and unhealthy effects from the Toxic Mold
    >>>> that was in our home in Centerville.
    >>>> My Wife, Virginia, recently had to have eye surgery. It seems her eyes are infected from the Toxic Mold and
    >>>> it caused a tumor to grow. While you listen to feel good legislation, Virginia almost lost her sight.
    >>>> Remember our Toxic Mold is the direct result of the documented, in Government Public Records you have all
    >>>> seen, illegal acts and failures of Massachusetts and the Town of Barnstable.
    >>>> A little over a year ago we spoke before your Committee about the Toxic Mold bill we had written and
    >>>> proposed. I listened to your speeches in front of the television cameras after the hearing in which you
    >>>> described what needed to be changed to make my legislation acceptable.
    >>>> I made the changes you stated in your television interview and resubmitted it to you as a replacement. It
    >>>> was then that you showed, by your total failure to act, that your television statements were a ruse.
    >>>> The bill by State Senator Rob O'Leary is a do nothing piece of legislation that will harm rather than help
    >>>> in the fight against Toxic Mold. It will allow, you, the State to stall. Anybody that has been infected by
    >>>> Toxic Mold does not need another biased study to be done. We need action. NOW!
    >>>> We need responsible politicians to help us. Sadly, after an exhausting search over the past decade, I have
    >>>> found self-serving politicians who grandstand on issues and ignore people. You speak of your sadness and
    >>>> concerns before the media and then do NOTHING!
    >>>> My family, like many others, lived in Toxic Mold for some years before we knew we had it. If it had been in
    >>>> our workplace perhaps we could have found another job but we were not so lucky. It was where we lived, ate
    >>>> and slept. It infected all of us. According to Medical, Insurance and Toxic Mold reports, our Toxic Mold is
    >>>> a direct result of the combined corruption and failures of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and the Town
    >>>> of Barnstable,
    >>>> Even before I knew of the Toxic Mold I came to Beacon Hill and the state for help to fight the government
    >>>> corruption of the local and state building inspectors that knowingly allowed this to happen to us. I
    >>>> contacted every Governor and AG since 1993. All protected the corrupt and the corruption rather than the
    >>>> citizens. All of the investigating Massachusetts agencies; Inspector General, Banking, Auditor, Treasurer
    >>>> and others, turned a deaf ear to corruption.
    >>>> You, the Legislature went so far as to pass a bill, without discussion or record of votes, to grant
    >>>> immunity to any corrupt inspectors that broke the law. This was done to stop my efforts to have
    >>>> accountability. By doing this, you, the legislature emboldened more open and widespread corruption. You
    >>>> allowed the expansion and growth of Toxic Mold. You must bear the responsibility for many of the illnesses
    >>>> we face from the Toxic Mold.
    >>>> The State Health Department and DEP have refused my requests for them to inspect our Toxic Mold. These are
    >>>> two groups that you now want to lead the study of Toxic Mold. In my opinion, they wouldn't know it was
    >>>> daylight unless they held a study or read it somewhere.
    >>>> The state building standards, another group you want to lead the study, is headed by Tom Rogers. As I told
    >>>> you all over a year ago, he was ruled by the State as not qualified to be a building inspector but he still
    >>>> holds his job. I also told you he even refused to provide reports requested in a hand delivered memo from
    >>>> the AG for reports of inspector and builder corruption he had inspected. The investigation was closed. A
    >>>> few years ago he even failed to respond to requests from the Legislature.
    >>>> I also told you and showed you State Public Records that he said our home was unsafe and illegal due to the
    >>>> illegal acts of the town and state but he refused to write a report as the law and his job required. Have
    >>>> you ever bothered to question him on these violations of State Law? Why has he not been fired?
    >>>> This is wonderful Massachusetts and what you say passes for Government sounds more like a third world
    >>>> country where corruption is the rule rather than the exception. If you want to support O'Leary's bill, feel
    >>>> free to. It is a waste of time that helps nobody. It allows those that have been asked to investigate in
    >>>> the past to play a farce in your "new" effort of politics.
    >>>> I call them like I see them and I call this a sucker piece of feel good legislation, that helps nobody ill
    >>>> from Toxic Mold. The SD2070 that I submitted is the legislation I refined to satisfy your objections that
    >>>> you expressed last year. It does what you wanted so why are you holding it prisoner? The answer is your
    >>>> television comments were public relations rather than the truth.
    >>>> Ken Moulton
    >>>> P O Box 874
    >>>> Hyannisport, MA 02647
    >>>> E-mail:
    >>>> On 7/15/03, johncodie wrote:
    >>>>> On 7/15/03, ff wrote:
    >>>>>> Johncodie:
    >>>>>> You are so far off from anything I have tried to convey to you. If you want to extract the truth,
    >>>>>> change your methods? Personally, and respectfully mr. johncodie, I am not going to waste any more time
    >>>>>> or space while you weave in and out of various issues and events, short of the information you need to
    >>>>>> reach valid conclusions.
    >>>>> Personally, I have been awakened to the unsuspecting, apathetic
    >>>>> public, really getting what they deserve (or to put it a better way, what they do not earn by failing
    >>>>> to keep up with their civic duty, unless hit personally, they don't get involved).
    >>>>> Im sorry I don't feel the same way. If you live in Boston and you don't fit in with the Kennedy bias
    >>>>> then your not going to win. Talk with Ken Moltous, he left Barnstable MA to go back to Oklahoma to
    >>>>> survive. He is writting legislation that is getting buried in Study. He did not did deserve the
    >>>>> nonsupport to the State Officials there. I just don't think the lack of education, or fear should keep
    >>>>> thehard earning taxpayers, from getting their dollars worth. It, "insurance/mortgage finance" and
    >>>>> disclosure has been termed "legal stealing". Now that is an oxy-moron.
    >>>>> If we don't have any protected rights, then why did everyone waste thier time celebrating the 4th this
    >>>>> year? Since morals don't involve religon, it might not go around to everyone; the worst sin is being
    >>>>> betrayed.

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