Re: Re:fungicides/EPA ,etc,etc, Hey Johncodie

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Hey Johncodiethecrazyengineer:

I'm sorry, but could you perhaps rephrase the question? I don't understand what you are asking.

Best Regards,

Mary

Did you have a pleasant 4th of July holiday?

On 7/20/03, johncodie wrote:
> Mary:
>
> Could you give me a refresh on the legal defense theory; as why plantiffs should'nt get any more than they are
> entitled to receive under the most conservative defense biased laws. You know the one where you defended the white
> shirt power tie attorney, isn't the blood sucking creatures from hell, because he simply needs a client that can
> continue to pay for incompetence, and he needs his associates billings to be up this month. You know paying for a
> solid year for incompetence during these times is a real luxury, most insurance companies are finding it hard to
> continue to afford; expecially with these nickel and dime 4 to 5 million dollar awards adding up. Its funny to see
> these self assured power brokers hem and haw in front of the judge; as to why they can't produce any documents after
> seven years; and their only product is a promise, and a policy. Can you tell me Mary where they mix up this product
> called ignorant errogance? Is it like a product manufactured in secret, like "Pepsi" or "Coke", under the Insuarnce
> Associations National Umbrella for the elizer for life. Or is the the elizer for lying for a living hoping for a new
> client. I really got a good laugh out of your last legal defense of the industry. Could you possibly conjure up the
> spirit of old pioneers, who rebuilt Chicago, or gave the American People, something worth inveseting their hard earned
> money into. You can start a new prestieous award like the Darwin Award for people that find creative ways to limit
> the gene pool. You can call it the Boob of the month award. The defense attorney that has been successful in conning
> his client into a mulimillon dollar judgement; and not even being aware that the industry had already put floresent
> red bulls eye, on the back of that tweed coat. Don't belive in revenge Mary; but do you consider the embarrasement of
> the truth, fair play?
>
> If you never knew its not the sound, it's the attitude.
>
>
>
> On 7/18/03, Mary wrote:
>> Hey y'all.
>> Whas all dis talk abou a suthren drall?
>> I done think any a you got a drall.
>>
>> I wudn't wurry abou no yankees sayun you gotta drall, 'cause day don no nutin, specialy about no mold and stuff.
>>
>> Mary (mayre)
>>
>> (No offense intended. I've learned that I have no idea how to speak 'southern drawl' let alone any idea about how to
>> write it. I defer to others.)
>>
>> Hey FF:
>>
>> You still going head to head with my buddy johncodiethecrazyengineer? You have got to let it go man. Just let john
>> do his thing. It seems to be good for him.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> On 7/18/03, ff wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK johncodie, got you, I understand. My reference is to a bias that is as simple as money and power over time.
>>> People get burned because of suppression bias. Can't help much with the southern drawl.
>>>
>>> ff
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/18/03, johncodie wrote:
>>>> The man is referring to building inspectors that inspected his home, that later got laws passed not making them
>>>> not liable for thier over looking problems in bu ildings. Case in point are the people that burned to death due
>>>> to the fireworks set off in the club, had inspections, and the current laws protect those who overlook, or look
>>>> the other way.
>>>>
>>>> Most recent trips to Boston, and hearing a southern drawl; people what to know about how we caused such suffering
>>>> of a class group a hundred years ago, in a period of the country called slavery and slave trade. Excuse me, what
>>>> does that have to do with having or retaining a southern drawl.
>>>>
>>>> We proceed on down to Martha's Vineyard from the Ferry and come to a local church for tour and look to find some
>>>> air conditioning. Well the proprietor for the church is from Bella Batra Al. We ask her where Chapaqitic is
>>>> since we thought there would be a marker or sign, of its historical signficance. With a polite smile she respond
>>>> that the local will be reluctant to even respond to the question.
>>>>
>>>> My point is bias between individuals, or groups may be as simple or complex as a time in history, and a way of
>>>> life, or a geographical location on a map. If I have a southern drawl why am I guilty of slavery, while when
>>>> asked of a historical landmark, it is a subject that is very curtly ignored.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/18/03, ff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Last message:
>>>>>
>>>>> More clearly, consider that by the time Mr. Moultous approached persons in responsible positions, they had
>>>>> already formed opinions based on biased/suppressed science. This places Mr. Moultous, and all others, at the
>>>>> disadvantage of having to change opinions, almost an impossibility at that point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Credibility is also an obstacle standing in the way of changing (invalid) opinions. Face it, either of us an
>>>>> individuals are considered less credible than research and other scientists from agencies, institutiuons, and
>>>>> corporations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another factor that should not be over looked is the difference in perspectives, yours for example, versus an
>>>>> agency or politician that has to deal with hundreds or thousands of similar cases, routinely. Even the most
>>>>> sympathetic could be subject to callous from being overloaded, underfunded, and yet bombarded with pleas for
>>>>> help on an individual or personal basis.
>>>>>
>>>>> ffbb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/18/03, ff wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> johncodie:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are still pretty far off from anything I have tried to convey. I appreciate Mr. Moultous' effort, and
>>>>>> regret his family's health problems, but somehow, if you want to make a change, letters like Mr. Moultous
>>>>>> need to be recognized as potentially damaging to his effort rather than beneficial (I have written a few
>>>>>> myself). I propose that a beneficial effort should be focused on those entities responsible for suppression
>>>>>> bias. Then, legitimate entities are presented accurate information rather than unknowingly, having already
>>>>>> formed invalid opinions, formed as a result of suppression bias. We will not live long enough to make
>>>>>> accomplishments by APPEARING as a whinining, nagging, entity to others that don't want to hear it in the
>>>>>> first place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/18/03, johncodie wrote:
>>>>>>> My first introduction to Ken Moultous on the sickbuilding board yahoo was veiwing a hospital bed that was
>>>>>>> in his home for his son. Ken had to move back to Oklahoma to have a place to live after suffering all the
>>>>>>> years of inactivity. At first the assumptions are wow what a whiner, or this guy must be a mental case.
>>>>>>> But after a few years and realization that nursing homes are abusing our loved ones by neglect and finally
>>>>>>> pass laws to protect. The unfortunate families that provide hospital home care for a loved one has little
>>>>>>> to no laws to protect the quality of air, or housing for their most desperate citizens. While bed ridden
>>>>>>> they are protected by the same Constitutional Rights of every other able bodied man and woman.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bias starts with the individual and extends across state lines. As a ragging range fire threating
>>>>>>> thousands of families across our nation, legislation is being passed to study the effects of fire on
>>>>>>> dewelling. To much time is being lost in the time period. We need updated building codes,and laws for
>>>>>>> TEXAS flood victims now; Minimum moisture readings within a building over a time period before it has to
>>>>>>> be ripped open and remediated. The days of it will dry, and paint stain block over it and path it are over.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr. Moultous
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: KENHMOULTON@aol.com
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:03:15 EDT
>>>>>>> Subject: For the hearing on SB657
>>>>>>> To: ROleary@senate.state.ma.us, KBinck@senate.state.ma.us
>>>>>>> CC: GOffice@state.ma.us, cis@sec.state.ma.us, webmaster@ago.state.ma.us
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> For the hearing on SB657 (please forward to the committee) -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> July 17, 2003
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was unable to attend the hearing on SB657, Toxic Mold bill by Rob O'Leary, on July 16, 2003 at the State
>>>>>>> House. My family and I are sick and recovering from the severe and unhealthy effects from the Toxic Mold
>>>>>>> that was in our home in Centerville.
>>>>>>> My Wife, Virginia, recently had to have eye surgery. It seems her eyes are infected from the Toxic Mold and
>>>>>>> it caused a tumor to grow. While you listen to feel good legislation, Virginia almost lost her sight.
>>>>>>> Remember our Toxic Mold is the direct result of the documented, in Government Public Records you have all
>>>>>>> seen, illegal acts and failures of Massachusetts and the Town of Barnstable.
>>>>>>> A little over a year ago we spoke before your Committee about the Toxic Mold bill we had written and
>>>>>>> proposed. I listened to your speeches in front of the television cameras after the hearing in which you
>>>>>>> described what needed to be changed to make my legislation acceptable.
>>>>>>> I made the changes you stated in your television interview and resubmitted it to you as a replacement. It
>>>>>>> was then that you showed, by your total failure to act, that your television statements were a ruse.
>>>>>>> The bill by State Senator Rob O'Leary is a do nothing piece of legislation that will harm rather than help
>>>>>>> in the fight against Toxic Mold. It will allow, you, the State to stall. Anybody that has been infected by
>>>>>>> Toxic Mold does not need another biased study to be done. We need action. NOW!
>>>>>>> We need responsible politicians to help us. Sadly, after an exhausting search over the past decade, I have
>>>>>>> found self-serving politicians who grandstand on issues and ignore people. You speak of your sadness and
>>>>>>> concerns before the media and then do NOTHING!
>>>>>>> My family, like many others, lived in Toxic Mold for some years before we knew we had it. If it had been in
>>>>>>> our workplace perhaps we could have found another job but we were not so lucky. It was where we lived, ate
>>>>>>> and slept. It infected all of us. According to Medical, Insurance and Toxic Mold reports, our Toxic Mold is
>>>>>>> a direct result of the combined corruption and failures of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and the Town
>>>>>>> of Barnstable,
>>>>>>> Even before I knew of the Toxic Mold I came to Beacon Hill and the state for help to fight the government
>>>>>>> corruption of the local and state building inspectors that knowingly allowed this to happen to us. I
>>>>>>> contacted every Governor and AG since 1993. All protected the corrupt and the corruption rather than the
>>>>>>> citizens. All of the investigating Massachusetts agencies; Inspector General, Banking, Auditor, Treasurer
>>>>>>> and others, turned a deaf ear to corruption.
>>>>>>> You, the Legislature went so far as to pass a bill, without discussion or record of votes, to grant
>>>>>>> immunity to any corrupt inspectors that broke the law. This was done to stop my efforts to have
>>>>>>> accountability. By doing this, you, the legislature emboldened more open and widespread corruption. You
>>>>>>> allowed the expansion and growth of Toxic Mold. You must bear the responsibility for many of the illnesses
>>>>>>> we face from the Toxic Mold.
>>>>>>> The State Health Department and DEP have refused my requests for them to inspect our Toxic Mold. These are
>>>>>>> two groups that you now want to lead the study of Toxic Mold. In my opinion, they wouldn't know it was
>>>>>>> daylight unless they held a study or read it somewhere.
>>>>>>> The state building standards, another group you want to lead the study, is headed by Tom Rogers. As I told
>>>>>>> you all over a year ago, he was ruled by the State as not qualified to be a building inspector but he still
>>>>>>> holds his job. I also told you he even refused to provide reports requested in a hand delivered memo from
>>>>>>> the AG for reports of inspector and builder corruption he had inspected. The investigation was closed. A
>>>>>>> few years ago he even failed to respond to requests from the Legislature.
>>>>>>> I also told you and showed you State Public Records that he said our home was unsafe and illegal due to the
>>>>>>> illegal acts of the town and state but he refused to write a report as the law and his job required. Have
>>>>>>> you ever bothered to question him on these violations of State Law? Why has he not been fired?
>>>>>>> This is wonderful Massachusetts and what you say passes for Government sounds more like a third world
>>>>>>> country where corruption is the rule rather than the exception. If you want to support O'Leary's bill, feel
>>>>>>> free to. It is a waste of time that helps nobody. It allows those that have been asked to investigate in
>>>>>>> the past to play a farce in your "new" effort of politics.
>>>>>>> I call them like I see them and I call this a sucker piece of feel good legislation, that helps nobody ill
>>>>>>> from Toxic Mold. The SD2070 that I submitted is the legislation I refined to satisfy your objections that
>>>>>>> you expressed last year. It does what you wanted so why are you holding it prisoner? The answer is your
>>>>>>> television comments were public relations rather than the truth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken Moulton
>>>>>>> P O Box 874
>>>>>>> Hyannisport, MA 02647
>>>>>>> E-mail: kenhmoulton@aol.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/15/03, johncodie wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/15/03, ff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Johncodie:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are so far off from anything I have tried to convey to you. If you want to extract the truth,
>>>>>>>>> change your methods? Personally, and respectfully mr. johncodie, I am not going to waste any more time
>>>>>>>>> or space while you weave in and out of various issues and events, short of the information you need to
>>>>>>>>> reach valid conclusions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Personally, I have been awakened to the unsuspecting, apathetic
>>>>>>>> public, really getting what they deserve (or to put it a better way, what they do not earn by failing
>>>>>>>> to keep up with their civic duty, unless hit personally, they don't get involved).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Im sorry I don't feel the same way. If you live in Boston and you don't fit in with the Kennedy bias
>>>>>>>> then your not going to win. Talk with Ken Moltous, he left Barnstable MA to go back to Oklahoma to
>>>>>>>> survive. He is writting legislation that is getting buried in Study. He did not did deserve the
>>>>>>>> nonsupport to the State Officials there. I just don't think the lack of education, or fear should keep
>>>>>>>> thehard earning taxpayers, from getting their dollars worth. It, "insurance/mortgage finance" and
>>>>>>>> disclosure has been termed "legal stealing". Now that is an oxy-moron.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If we don't have any protected rights, then why did everyone waste thier time celebrating the 4th this
>>>>>>>> year? Since morals don't involve religon, it might not go around to everyone; the worst sin is being
>>>>>>>> betrayed.
>>>>>>>>

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