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    Re: Doctor Shoemaker

    Posted by ff on 6/25/03


    Don't flatter yourself, you did not hit any nerves. You exposed you
    continuing flaws. What you did hit, again, and sadly, was several
    people trying to tell you to get the facts straight before mouthing
    off. Rather than go back and revisit your now admitted lack of
    qualifications to address, combined with the problem of false
    assumptions based on mispercieved information, you have to try and
    uphold your opinion of yourself, damn if we need your ego damaged,
    God help us.

    You apparently love the "gossip," "rumor," and "slander" aspects for
    some reason. Then, you throw yourself in as the saviour for the
    women and children, and the grandfather/grand master of the board. I
    recall sometime back you suggested a lawsuit against me for a
    statement I made, and supported. Have you slandered Dr. Shoemaker
    now? You sure? But more importantly, you are a dissappointment, a
    discrediting entity to the cause you haveappointed yourself as gran
    master of, attacking your own allies for a burst of emotional
    enthusiasm, or whatever.

    Just look at what you have done. You told Elliot to back up his
    statements, give us some facts, references. Then later on, without
    these facts, you assume Elliot is correct and suggest that you
    understand why Dr. Shoemaker did not recognize his name. To show you
    the absurdity again, we have another bad conclusion by you based on
    bits and pieces, anecdotal info, that you have managed to run into
    the ground, which you admit you are not qualified to do, but in fact,

    Many people have complained about the direction the board takes at
    times, I think you drive it there, I don't want to be a part of. You
    can go ahead and have the last word johncodiewhocannotadmitwhoyou
    reallyare (Hey Mary, go figure).

    Sometime back, you talked about the bully. I think you are the bully,
    and the instigator, you get what you ask for.


    On 6/25/03, johncodie wrote:
    > I am very familiar with your area and the politics on the beltway.
    > I usually stay at the Crystal City Double Tree. I have to admit it
    > is a very sound and close knit business adventure that everyone has
    > joined into referreals. The business must be doing very well.
    > Confused, I don't think so! You see if I take this little test,
    > and am confused about the results, then I can hit the additinonal
    > key and enter my credit card numbers so I can talk with Dr.
    > Shoemaker over a test that has already had its disclaimer posted at
    > the bottom of the page. I am not suprized that I hit on some
    > nerves. What would you specifically get for that additional
    > hundred dollar fee, that the was based upon a test that has already
    > been disclaimered. Last time I got an MRI and paid about as much
    > through insurance, I got result, but did not get the disclaimer.
    > Greg what is the disclaimer you pointed out supposed to mean?
    > Oh I get it, the truth gets in the way of good business sometimes.
    > On 6/25/03, Greg Weatherman wrote:
    >> John Codie,
    >> I know you mean well but, you seem very confused to me. I am in
    >> Arlington VA. I have a company seperate from Dr. Shoemaker. Dr.
    >> Shoemaker is 4 hours east of me in Pocomoke MD. He is literally
    >> next to the Atlantic Ocean. He has worked with patients in the
    >> past with "attending physicians". This means he works with local
    >> doctors to give a differential diagnosis (together). This is a
    >> very common practice born from the fact that medicine is complex
    >> and two doctors can combat malpractice help the patient better
    >> than one. Also, he does not tell a patient that he needs
    >> $10,000.00 payment and exclusivity before diagnosis and eventual
    >> treatment. I won't name names but, There is a notable doctor
    >> doing this practice. It is legal but it raises the
    >> question, "How does the average nonrich person get quality
    >> healthcare"?
    >> Ken Hudnell, PhD Neurotoxicologist with the EPA, has worked with
    >> the VCS technology for years. He and others study human health
    >> with regards to neurotoxicity from industrial chemicals like
    >> organics and heavy metals. This type of research helps the EPA
    >> evaluate the harm that may be posed by the realese of toxic
    >> chemicals to the environment.
    >> Although it is the HHS that oversees human health, The EPA bases
    >> its decisions on human, wildlife and plant toxicity. They are
    >> charged with this responsibility by Congress.
    >> Ken Hudnell has worked with dry cleaning chemicals and their
    >> health effects to the nervous system. Biotoxins - whether they
    >> are mycotoxins are other biologically derived toxins - are very
    >> similar in chemical composition to the industrial organic
    >> solvents like chemicals used for dry claning. Ken Hudnell
    >> decided to do some research on the side with Dr. Shoemaker
    >> because they both think there is a reason for these unexplained
    >> and untreated illness and discomforts. The science is solid.
    >> These groups you speak about are funded by special interest or
    >> (if they are indeed pure and follow science) act like slow moving
    >> ships when turning. They are waiting on the National Academy of
    >> Sciences or other body of experts to give the research
    >> the "golden stamp of approval".
    >> Maybe Phares Heindl can tell us about the dangers of being
    >> a "standard setting organization" with respect to litigation that
    >> originated with the National Pool and Spa Association and
    >> personal injury lawsuits.
    >> Although your questions are good, life is far more complex as
    >> your engineer background should verify.
    >> Regards,
    >> Greg Weatherman
    >> Aerobiological Solutions Inc.
    >> Arlington VA 22202
    >> *******************************************************
    >> On 6/25/03, johncodie wrote:
    >>> On 6/25/03, ff wrote:
    >>>> john,
    >>>> is johncodie your real name? yes
    >>>> I would not recommend anyone post their personal specifics on
    >>>> he internet, is that really what you are after?
    >>> I am after why Dr. Shoemaker would propose to test thousands of
    >>> children in the State of Florida to see if they might have
    >>> toxic exposure.
    >>> Do you have some specific interest in me personally, it
    >>> sounds creepy to > me? No specific interest.
    >>> You posted that Dr. Shoemaker saved your life.
    >>> Hell, you cannot even admit where you live or who you
    >>>> are.
    >>> I am the village idiot taking on big money. I am an engineer.
    >>> I went to the same undergradutate university as Phares did. As
    >>> long a Dr. Shoemaker and Mr. Huddell and his web master
    >>> advertise as experts in thier clinic in Virginia, and charge
    >>> fees on the internet they are subject to scrutinity by the FTC.
    >>> Calm down here a minute, and back off of the
    >>>> authoritative position you have promoted yourself into.
    >>> Mr. Huddell stated that he was moving his office with EPA and
    >>> would respond, when he got re-settled. Still waiting like alot
    >>> of other individuals that has heard of CVS.
    >>>> The ball is in Mr. Elliot's court. He made an allegation,
    >>>> tried to discredit a professional, now back it up. The ball
    >>> is in Dr. Shoemakers court as he is still advertising his CVS
    >>> method of detection on the open market. Mr. Elliot appears to
    >>> be a dissatisfied cleint and wants his money back.
    >>>> As for treatments, do you want a lawsuit or your health
    >>>> back?
    >>> I have already stated I don't have any of the metallic taste or
    >>> charateristics that he advertises. So why should i want to
    >>> take his test? I am already in litigation so any half truths
    >>> that come out to be false hoods it very benefical to the legal
    >>> system.
    >>> Which is more important to you, I am beginning to
    >>>> wonder? What is more inportant to is the Children that I
    >>> keep and work for. My last e-mail from MS Ballard is any thing
    >>> keep digging for the children that can't understand what the
    >>> fight is about.
    >>>> Is the kind of BS you want to promote on the board? I would
    >>> ike to cut the middle man money makers out of this market like
    >>> Phares indicating a technician could probably do as good of a
    >>> bob in taking samplings
    >>>> In closing, and in keeping with my first post on this board,
    >>>> you need to have your facts straight before you start
    >>>> spouting off.
    >>> I work the information that I get and try to run it either to
    >>> ground or to a reliable place.
    >>> In fact, that's what you told Mr. Elliot and
    >>>> many others in the past.
    >>> Ask Dr. Shoemaker's webmaster if he is still administering test
    >>> by the internet, and giving diagnosis, or advising what
    >>> medication that they should be taking. The man from california
    >>> talking with Mr. Huddell (webmaster) was very upset his test
    >>> came back negative, when it was previously a positive lab test
    >>> in california.
    >>> I simply resonded with fact: Doctor
    >>>> Shoemaker has never heard of Johan Elliot or his
    >>>> referenced "settlement." Go back to the subject of the posts.
    >>>> I am not suprised Shoemaker has never heard of Johan Elliot,
    >>> he does not hear or respond to everyone that purchases services
    >>> from his internet clinic.
    >>>> ff
    >>>> On 6/25/03, Johncodie wrote:
    >>>>> Frank
    >>>>> If Doctor Shoemaker was your attending physican, then by
    >>>>> all means, identify who the intial docotors were, who gave
    >>>>> you the referral. If you went to Virginia for the
    >>>>> treatment. What was the diagnosis, what was the
    >>>>> treatment. What are you able to do now that you were not
    >>>>> able to do before. I have seen them try to apply the CVS
    >>>>> screening to MCS, and an assortment other ailments. I am
    >>>>> not sure what has since been endorsed or approved by the
    >>>>> FDA, Optometric Societies, or new Medical Specialist
    >>>>> Council of the American Medical Association. Could it have
    >>>>> been a treated or diagnosied by any other means?

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