Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker
Posted by Ticked Off on 1/19/08
Tracy, I am sorry you are going through this. What state are you in? I know of a couple of good lyme doctors in Virginia.I am slowly getting better. Ticked On 1/18/08, Tracy wrote: > Hi, ff, > Thanks for your response. I believe I understand totally the passion you have > about one MD who seems to care a lot about searching for patterns behind illness, > and about finding the truth and not treating symptoms. I am putting my own words > to it, but I think this is what you are saying. > > I'm not sure about your question "Where does all what get me/us?". I at first > posted my thoughts on his impressive systemic approach, then posted my experience > with him and following this, my analysis of it. You and other folks can take from > it what you will. > > I want to update as well. It seems like my story has an end at this point. ff, > If this story has parts of it that are counter to your experience (well we > already know it does), I suppose you can just feel greatful for the fact that you > were helped. > > Dr. Shoemaker helped me to learn a bit about myself, and his research and > compassion for what he does, led me to do more research. For instance, the fact > that genes are not just a have/have-not in the body, that they can be turned on > and off, is not something the average person knows. It is good to learn about > that and also how body systems are so closely connected. I am greatful for those > blood levels he took, no other doctor has looked at them. No doctor really > understands them, I so wish he would communicate with them. It seems that I have > to get a doctor to call over to him- which I have been having trouble with. > > My body seems to be too sensitive for CSM right now. And I called his office to > ask for feedback on why I had severe parch-shock / dehydration episodes after > taking the CSM. I couldn't sleep at all, was so dehydrated, having 'dry > attacks'. These episodes make me feel like I cannot help myself and will DIE. > They are that bad. His office told me I needed to schedule another phone > session, and that my regular doctor/GP could be there. And so I did just that as > soon as they were both available. Now, during the last two phone sessions, > someone from the office called me right before he was ready, and asked for a > credit card number. Following this, Dr. Shoemaker would call me when he was > ready. However, this did not happen. I was in my doctor's office and did not get > a call. I waited for about 10 minutes and then called over. The secretary said > that I was supposed to call in myself at the appt time. I told her that I was > surprised, that that was not what I was told in the past, or what happened in the > past. She told me that he was on another phone call, that I had missed my > appointment, and that the woman who schedules his phone conferences was out to > lunch. I asked that she call me back, as I was with my doctor, and we were both > concerned about my adverse reaction to the CSM. Dr. Shoemaker had expressed > concern about my levels, esp my c4a being 28,500 (healthy range goes from 0- 2000)- > I thought for sure he would get back to me. > > I never got a return call. That was over two weeks ago. Several days later I > faxed the information from my doctor (cortisol test, sleep test, and heavy metal > test). All of the results were very out of whack. It turns out that I have > mercury poisoning (0-5 healthy range, I registered at a 54), along with lead and > bismuth toxicity. It was the Lyme doctor that gave me these tests. I also > learned that my gluten sensitivity gene has been turned on. So my mold situation > is a bit more complex at this point, likely due to the Lyme, heavy metals and > gluten intolerance that I did not have pinpointed and addressed in a timely > manner. > > I cannot emphasize this enough...My biggest surprise is that I NEVER HEARD BACK. > NOR DID MY GP/Doc. Very upsetting, I had asked if I needed to come back to MD to > get the MR Spectroscopy (he claimed that it would be best to get it done by him), > that many labs do it improperly, etc. > > Above anything I hope Dr. Shoemaker got keyed into looking at those types of > tests that he did NOT test for, because clearly mold was not the whole piece to > my puzzle. I am left with the assumption that because the Lyme doc (whom he > dislikes)tested these things, he wants to have nothing to do with it. Even > though I clearly said I would not go back to him. That is the only rational > conclusion I could come to, as like you, I felt he was a compassionate man. > > He knows that I moved out of my home, due to the ERMI mold report. I was > listening and following what he had told me to do (took CSM and Actos, went on > the diet). So I don't get it. I like his writing, how he integrates things, and > I thought he was very pleasant when I saw him. Something happened though, once > he heard that I went to a (previously scheduled) appointment with a Lyme doctor. > I will never go back to that Lyme doctor (my own choice), yet it seems like > Shoemaker doesn't want to have anything to do with me regardless. > > I plan to start chelation therapy to rid myself of the mercury and then the lead > and bismuth. I am hoping that that will help me to handle other detoxing > afterward. The reason why the chelation IV's are safe is that they are monitored > closely and IV's include Vitamin packs and saline (my adrenal levels and > magnesium are so out of whack). However I cannot seem to tolerate oral > supplementation. My former Lyme doctor mentioned that Nano Chitosan is a > somewhat safer way to do what CSM does. I would LOVE to get Dr. Shoemaker's > opinion on this and a lot of other things. > > The last thing to mention is that I was told that his office accepts my > insurance. I was told to make sure that my card had a suitcase on it (it does). > However, not only was the visit only partially covered, but the labs he took were > not covered either (cost far beyond what he has listed in his packet). He did > some genetic testing for me- while the lab itself accepts my insurance, because > he is an out of state doctor ordering them, they were $7000 each (several were > taken). At this point I am trying to help myself get better and I cannot even > think about my newly incurred financial ruin. > > That is my story. > ........................ > Signing off, > Tracy > > On 1/09/08, ff wrote: >> Hi, Tracy: >> >> My first recollection is of thoughts I had about, not necessarily your >> situation, but the broad picture. That is, many, in similar situations as >> yours, go through extended efforts and mutiple visits, and often we hear about >> the inability, unwillingness, or even refusal of MD's to devote time/interest >> needed to solve these problems. >> >> I think that the total of such experiences above, when weighed against one MD >> that does address the problem, warrants focusing on the help from that one MD. >> >> Regarding the post/s below, ?, I don't understand. Where does all of that >> get you/us? As far as agreeing/disagreeing, I appreciate differing >> opinions...when presented in a constructive manner. I'm not going to argue or >> debate it, unless you find it necessary or helpful in some way, and I >> certainly do not mind hearing criticism. I pretty patient, tolerant, have at >> it. But, I always, hope the best for everyone. >> >> ff >> >>
Posts on this thread, including this one
- shoemaker, 10/08/03, by sacliff@msn.com.
- Re: shoemaker, 10/09/03, by ff.
- Re: shoemaker, 10/11/03, by sherrie.
- Re: shoemaker, 10/12/03, by ff.
- Re: sherri eseeking info, 10/12/03, by ff.
- Re: sherri eseeking info, 10/15/03, by sherrie.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 12/01/03, by Terry Elias.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/29/04, by Nancy Bramson.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 2/10/04, by Teresa Greene.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 2/13/04, by Karen Parisis.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/29/04, by IanChristopher.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/29/04, by IanChristopher.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 4/02/04, by Gloria Horsley.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 4/02/04, by SD Teacher.
- Re: sherri eseeking info, 4/12/04, by sherrie.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/03/05, by john biles.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/04/05, by Greg Weatherman.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/06/05, by Kay Bowers.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/07/05, by curious.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/25/05, by Eric.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/25/05, by Greg Weatherman.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/29/05, by Eric.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/29/05, by Eric.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/29/05, by Eric.
- Re: ERIC, 1/30/05, by ff.
- Re: ERIC, 1/30/05, by ff.
- Re: shoemaker, 1/31/05, by Jyl Burgener.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 2/01/05, by Eric.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 2/02/05, by ff.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 2/24/05, by suzanne mccavanagh.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 2/24/05, by suzanne mccavanagh.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/29/05, by Janice.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker - wow, i'm stunned, 3/30/05, by mary.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker - wow, i'm stunned, 3/30/05, by Greg Weatherman.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker - wow, i'm stunned, 3/30/05, by mary.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/30/05, by v.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 5/12/05, by Andrea.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 5/22/05, by ZXR90.
- Re: shoemaker, 8/01/05, by Jim.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 8/05/05, by Linda Lee Johnson.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 8/05/05, by Linda Lee Johnson.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 9/14/05, by vivian.
- Re: shoemaker, 9/14/05, by vivian.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 10/08/05, by ANN.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 10/08/05, by ANN.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 10/10/05, by terry.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 11/27/05, by Marty Clarke.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 12/20/05, by Kurt D. Winterkorn.
- Re: Dr. Wintercorn, 12/21/05, by ff.
- Re: Dr. Shoemaker/Mr. Winterkorn, 12/21/05, by Tammy.
- Re: Dr. Wintercorn, 12/21/05, by v.
- Re: Re:Tammy/Mrs. Winterkorn, 12/23/05, by ff.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 12/23/05, by TMV.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 12/23/05, by A Griffith.
- Re: Re:Tammy/Mrs. Winterkorn, 12/23/05, by Greg Weatherman.
- Re: FF, 1/11/06, by DD.
- Re: FF, 2/28/06, by Sue.
- Re: FF, 2/28/06, by Sue.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/21/06, by Pat Romanosky.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 5/06/06, by Holly.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 7/02/06, by ed cohen.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 7/02/06, by ed cohen.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 9/11/06, by ANDREE Tanner.
- Re: shoemaker, 11/27/06, by Craig.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 11/29/06, by NOT AMUSED.
- Re: shoemaker, 12/16/06, by Kay.
- Re: shoemaker, 12/29/06, by AmerAcadMed1.
- Re: shoemaker, 3/13/07, by Claire.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/13/07, by Claire.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/14/07, by Fanua SP. (SCUPS-Student).
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 4/13/07, by Cindy Fulghum.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker--BAD EXPERIENCE WITH DR. SHOEMAKER, 5/01/07, by Virginia.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker--BAD EXPERIENCE WITH DR. SHOEMAKER, 5/01/07, by Virginia.
- Re: shoemaker, a real cruel stinker, 5/01/07, by Virginia.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 5/10/07, by David MacRae.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 6/13/07, by Tracy Hans.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 6/14/07, by ff.
- Re: shoemaker, a real cruel stinker -- WRONG!!, 8/01/07, by dlpgppmi.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 8/05/07, by john LaRocque.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 8/05/07, by john LaRocque.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker--I'm not!!!!!, 9/09/07, by DC chick.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 9/09/07, by dc chick.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 9/09/07, by DC CHICK.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 9/09/07, by dc chick.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 9/09/07, by ff.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 9/16/07, by DC.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 9/16/07, by ff.
- Re: shoemaker, a real cruel stinker -- WRONG!!, 10/02/07, by Cory .
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 10/20/07, by sick and tired.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 10/21/07, by ff.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 10/21/07, by Audrey Schueck.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 10/21/07, by Audrey WS.
- Re: Dr. Shoemaker: One of a Kind, 10/21/07, by Erik Johnson.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 10/23/07, by ff.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker, Dr.Norton Fishman, A Better Choice, 11/04/07, by Rob.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker, Dr.Norton Fishman, A Better Choice, 11/06/07, by ff.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker, Dr.Norton Fishman, A Better Choice, 12/01/07, by Nikki.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker, Dr.Norton Fishman, A Better Choice, 12/01/07, by Nikki.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 12/23/07, by Tracy.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 12/27/07, by Melody.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 12/27/07, by melody.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 12/28/07, by ff.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 12/28/07, by ErikMoldWarrior.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 12/28/07, by ErikMoldWarrior.
- Re: Shoemaker/defending/clarity, 1/05/08, by Tracy.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 1/05/08, by ff.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/09/08, by Tracy.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/09/08, by ff.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/18/08, by Tracy.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/19/08, by ff.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/19/08, by Ticked off.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/19/08, by Ticked Off.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/19/08, by Ticked Off.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/20/08, by ff.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/20/08, by ff.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/20/08, by ff.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/20/08, by ErikMoldWarrior.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/22/08, by Tracy.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/22/08, by ff.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/22/08, by ff.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/27/08, by Tracy.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 2/22/08, by Deborah.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 2/22/08, by ff.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 3/03/08, by Deborah.
- Re: Shoemaker, better CFS doctor than Dr. James Baranuik GU, 3/08/08, by JL.
- Re: Shoemaker, better CFS doctor than Dr. James Baranuik GU, 4/06/08, by Me2, another lymie.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 4/06/08, by me2.
- Re: Dr. James Baraniuk, 5/03/08, by Another CFS/CBT victim.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 5/21/08, by Katie.
- Re: Dr. James Baraniuk, 5/21/08, by Katie.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 5/25/08, by Tracy.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 6/09/08, by Jill.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 6/09/08, by Jill.
- Re: June 23rd, 6/17/08, by Tracy.
- Re: June 23rd, 6/27/08, by mgfs.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 6/30/08, by Paul B. Ross.
- Re: June 23rd, 7/08/08, by Robert Christ.
- Re: June 23rd, 7/13/08, by S.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, 7/16/08, by Bruce.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, 7/21/08, by Seattle.
- Re: Shoemaker, better CFS doctor than Dr. James Baranuik GU, 7/21/08, by Seattle.
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