Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, A BAD EXPERIENCE
Posted by ErikMoldWarrior on 10/21/08
On 10/21/08, Deborah wrote: > Many doctors get tunnel vision when they are working on particular illnesses that mainstream medicine fails to or > inadequately addresses; it becomes the diagnosis du jour. > > Not an excuse, just an explanation. I have never met the doctor nor know anything about her. > > On another note, chronic fatigue is thought to be caused by Epstein-Barr, chemical sensitivities and/or exposures, > misdiagnoses and thus unnecessary or improper treatment ( read antibiotics, steroids, etc ), or a varying combination of > all three. > If you want to hear the most amazing story, read Osler's Web by Hillary Johnson. The key word here is "Syndrome", to differentiate the 1988 Holmes "CFS definition" from mere prolonged fatigue. In the early 1980's outbreaks of inexplicable "chronic mononucleosis" caused the CDC to postulate a vague descripion that was called "Chronic Epstein Barr Virus Syndrome (CEBV Syndrome)" Dr Cheney and Dr Peterson of Incline Village tried to "impress" this concept upon an outbreak of illness that occurrred there in 1985, and found that this was completely wrong. The immune parameters didn't match. Dr Peterson called the CDC for clarification, and the epidemiologists Jon Kaplan and Gary Holmes came out to conduct a quick investigation - and reassure these "confused doctors" that all they were looking at was "CEBV Syndrome".
But Dr Cheney's evidence was so undeniable that the CDC was forced to abandon their "Chronic Mono" concept and rename the illness - which wound up being "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome". The patients used as prototypes had deformed B cells, low red cell mass, abnormally low erythrocyte sedimentation rates - ween ONLY in less than half a dozen other illnesses, depleted RNase-L (an antiviral enzyme), extremely abnormal levels of platelet debris, high Interleukin 2, and a whole slew of other weirdnesses that are too numerous to list here. The bottom line is that EBV was only reactivated, and was not inherent nor necessary to the syndrome. It is quite ironic that the creation of CFS was forced by the incontrovertible evidence that EBV was a side issue, and yet, twenty years after the fact, the CDC has never bothered to make this point clear to the medical community. -ErikMW Incline Village CFS survivor
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- shoemaker, 10/08/03, by sacliff@msn.com.
- Re: shoemaker, 10/09/03, by ff.
- Re: shoemaker, 10/11/03, by sherrie.
- Re: shoemaker, 10/12/03, by ff.
- Re: sherri eseeking info, 10/12/03, by ff.
- Re: sherri eseeking info, 10/15/03, by sherrie.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 12/01/03, by Terry Elias.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/29/04, by Nancy Bramson.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 2/10/04, by Teresa Greene.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 2/13/04, by Karen Parisis.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/29/04, by IanChristopher.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/29/04, by IanChristopher.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 4/02/04, by Gloria Horsley.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 4/02/04, by SD Teacher.
- Re: sherri eseeking info, 4/12/04, by sherrie.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/03/05, by john biles.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/04/05, by Greg Weatherman.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/06/05, by Kay Bowers.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/07/05, by curious.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/25/05, by Eric.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/25/05, by Greg Weatherman.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/29/05, by Eric.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/29/05, by Eric.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/29/05, by Eric.
- Re: ERIC, 1/30/05, by ff.
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- Re: shoemaker, 1/31/05, by Jyl Burgener.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 2/01/05, by Eric.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 2/02/05, by ff.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 2/24/05, by suzanne mccavanagh.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 2/24/05, by suzanne mccavanagh.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/29/05, by Janice.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker - wow, i'm stunned, 3/30/05, by mary.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker - wow, i'm stunned, 3/30/05, by Greg Weatherman.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker - wow, i'm stunned, 3/30/05, by mary.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/30/05, by v.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 5/12/05, by Andrea.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 5/22/05, by ZXR90.
- Re: shoemaker, 8/01/05, by Jim.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 8/05/05, by Linda Lee Johnson.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 8/05/05, by Linda Lee Johnson.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 9/14/05, by vivian.
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- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 10/08/05, by ANN.
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- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 10/10/05, by terry.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 11/27/05, by Marty Clarke.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 12/20/05, by Kurt D. Winterkorn.
- Re: Dr. Wintercorn, 12/21/05, by ff.
- Re: Dr. Shoemaker/Mr. Winterkorn, 12/21/05, by Tammy.
- Re: Dr. Wintercorn, 12/21/05, by v.
- Re: Re:Tammy/Mrs. Winterkorn, 12/23/05, by ff.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 12/23/05, by TMV.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 12/23/05, by A Griffith.
- Re: Re:Tammy/Mrs. Winterkorn, 12/23/05, by Greg Weatherman.
- Re: FF, 1/11/06, by DD.
- Re: FF, 2/28/06, by Sue.
- Re: FF, 2/28/06, by Sue.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/21/06, by Pat Romanosky.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 5/06/06, by Holly.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 7/02/06, by ed cohen.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 7/02/06, by ed cohen.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 9/11/06, by ANDREE Tanner.
- Re: shoemaker, 11/27/06, by Craig.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 11/29/06, by NOT AMUSED.
- Re: shoemaker, 12/16/06, by Kay.
- Re: shoemaker, 12/29/06, by AmerAcadMed1.
- Re: shoemaker, 3/13/07, by Claire.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/13/07, by Claire.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/14/07, by Fanua SP. (SCUPS-Student).
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 4/13/07, by Cindy Fulghum.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker--BAD EXPERIENCE WITH DR. SHOEMAKER, 5/01/07, by Virginia.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker--BAD EXPERIENCE WITH DR. SHOEMAKER, 5/01/07, by Virginia.
- Re: shoemaker, a real cruel stinker, 5/01/07, by Virginia.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 5/10/07, by David MacRae.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 6/13/07, by Tracy Hans.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 6/14/07, by ff.
- Re: shoemaker, a real cruel stinker -- WRONG!!, 8/01/07, by dlpgppmi.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 8/05/07, by john LaRocque.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 8/05/07, by john LaRocque.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker--I'm not!!!!!, 9/09/07, by DC chick.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 9/09/07, by dc chick.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 9/09/07, by DC CHICK.
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- Re: shoemaker, a real cruel stinker -- WRONG!!, 10/02/07, by Cory .
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 10/20/07, by sick and tired.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 10/21/07, by ff.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 10/21/07, by Audrey Schueck.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 10/21/07, by Audrey WS.
- Re: Dr. Shoemaker: One of a Kind, 10/21/07, by Erik Johnson.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 10/23/07, by ff.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker, Dr.Norton Fishman, A Better Choice, 11/04/07, by Rob.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker, Dr.Norton Fishman, A Better Choice, 11/06/07, by ff.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker, Dr.Norton Fishman, A Better Choice, 12/01/07, by Nikki.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker, Dr.Norton Fishman, A Better Choice, 12/01/07, by Nikki.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 12/23/07, by Tracy.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 12/27/07, by Melody.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 12/27/07, by melody.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 12/28/07, by ff.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 12/28/07, by ErikMoldWarrior.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 12/28/07, by ErikMoldWarrior.
- Re: Shoemaker/defending/clarity, 1/05/08, by Tracy.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 1/05/08, by ff.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/09/08, by Tracy.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/09/08, by ff.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/18/08, by Tracy.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/19/08, by ff.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/19/08, by Ticked off.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/19/08, by Ticked Off.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/19/08, by Ticked Off.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/20/08, by ff.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/20/08, by ff.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/20/08, by ff.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/20/08, by ErikMoldWarrior.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/22/08, by Tracy.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/22/08, by ff.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/22/08, by ff.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/27/08, by Tracy.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 2/22/08, by Deborah.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 2/22/08, by ff.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 3/03/08, by Deborah.
- Re: Shoemaker, better CFS doctor than Dr. James Baranuik GU, 3/08/08, by JL.
- Re: Shoemaker, better CFS doctor than Dr. James Baranuik GU, 4/06/08, by Me2, another lymie.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 4/06/08, by me2.
- Re: Dr. James Baraniuk, 5/03/08, by Another CFS/CBT victim.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 5/21/08, by Katie.
- Re: Dr. James Baraniuk, 5/21/08, by Katie.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 5/25/08, by Tracy.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 6/09/08, by Jill.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 6/09/08, by Jill.
- Re: June 23rd, 6/17/08, by Tracy.
- Re: June 23rd, 6/27/08, by mgfs.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 6/30/08, by Paul B. Ross.
- Re: June 23rd, 7/08/08, by Robert Christ.
- Re: June 23rd, 7/13/08, by S.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, 7/16/08, by Bruce.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, 7/21/08, by Seattle.
- Re: Shoemaker, better CFS doctor than Dr. James Baranuik GU, 7/21/08, by Seattle.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, 7/28/08, by Former Klimas Patient.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, 8/15/08, by Bad Experience.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, 8/15/08, by Bad Experience.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, 8/15/08, by BE.
- Re: June 23rd, 8/16/08, by Robert Christ.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 9/11/08, by Mary Ann.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with NO caveat, 9/11/08, by ErikMoldWarrior.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 9/14/08, by Joanie.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 9/14/08, by Joani.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 9/14/08, by ErikMoldWarrior.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 9/21/08, by EnisP.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, A BAD EXPERIENCE , 10/11/08, by Surfer Chick.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, A BAD EXPERIENCE , 10/11/08, by Surfer Chick, Also........
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, A BAD EXPERIENCE , 10/12/08, by ErikMoldWarrior.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, A BAD EXPERIENCE , 10/19/08, by Maria.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, A BAD EXPERIENCE , 10/21/08, by Deborah.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, A BAD EXPERIENCE , 10/21/08, by ErikMoldWarrior.
- Re: Nancy Klimas, MD--MISDIAGNOSIS, 10/31/08, by Mass Lyme.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, 10/31/08, by Mass Lyme.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, A BAD EXPERIENCE , 10/31/08, by Mass Lyme.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas doesn't test for Lyme Disease, 10/31/08, by Mass Lyme.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, A BAD EXPERIENCE , 11/01/08, by ErikMoldWarrior.
- Re: Nancy Klimas, MD--MISDIAGNOSIS, 11/21/08, by Pat.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, A BAD EXPERIENCE , 11/21/08, by Pat.
- Re: Shoemaker, better CFS doctor than Dr. James Baranuik GU, 11/21/08, by Pat.
- Re: Shoemaker, better CFS doctor than Dr. James Baranuik GU, 11/26/08, by johncodie.
- Re: Shoemaker & Cholestryramine Therapy for Mold Illness, 1/17/09, by Cat Budak.
- Re: Shoemaker & Cholestryramine Therapy for Mold Illness, 1/18/09, by ErikMoldWarrior.
- Re: Shoemaker & Cholestryramine Therapy for Mold Illness, 1/19/09, by Mike B..
- Re: Shoemaker & Cholestryramine Therapy for Mold Illness, 1/19/09, by ErikMoldWarrior.
- Re: Shoemaker & Cholestryramine Therapy for Mold Illness, 1/19/09, by Mike B..
- Re: Shoemaker & Cholestryramine Therapy for Mold Illness, 3/26/09, by TROB.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, A BAD EXPERIENCE , 5/27/09, by Diana.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, A BAD EXPERIENCE , 6/28/09, by Helen Rinde.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 7/01/09, by Pat Sullivan.
- Re: Dr. Leila Zachrison, 7/01/09, by Colleen.
- Re: Dr. Leila Zackrison, 7/01/09, by Colleen.
- Re: Dr. Leila Zackrison, 7/09/09, by SD.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, A BAD EXPERIENCE , 7/09/09, by S.
- Re: Shoemaker & Cholestryramine Therapy for Mold Illness, 7/09/09, by SD.
- Re: Re:CHINESE DRYWALL, 7/12/09, by HARVARD 708.
- Re: Re:CHINESE DRYWALL, 7/13/09, by Rem Dude.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 7/21/09, by kat shaw.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, A BAD EXPERIENCE , 7/21/09, by kat shaw.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 7/22/09, by CFSer.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 8/02/09, by Bric.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 8/10/09, by Patient.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 8/10/09, by bric.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 8/11/09, by Patient.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 8/11/09, by bric.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 8/28/09, by recovering mold pt..
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 8/28/09, by recovering mold pt..
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 8/29/09, by bric.
- Re: MCS factors, 8/29/09, by recovering mold pt..
- Re: MCS factors, 8/30/09, by bric.
- Re: MCS factors, 9/04/09, by recovering mold pt..
- Re: MCS factors, 9/08/09, by recovering mold pt..
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 9/11/09, by Pat Lassiter.
- Re: Shoemaker, 9/13/09, by Mold-Ill Patient.
- Re: William Rea MD, 9/28/09, by Lisa Nagy MD.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 10/09/09, by Pat Romanosky.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, A BAD EXPERIENCE , 11/06/09, by Peterson.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, A BAD EXPERIENCE , 11/06/09, by Peterson.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, A BAD EXPERIENCE , 11/06/09, by Peterson.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, A BAD EXPERIENCE , 11/06/09, by Peterson.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 11/06/09, by Peterson.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 11/06/09, by Peterson.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 11/06/09, by Peterson.
- Re: Shoemaker, 11/06/09, by Peterson.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 11/06/09, by Peterson.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, A BAD EXPERIENCE , 11/06/09, by Lee Robin.
- Re: Dr. Klimas is A Fantastic CFS / XMRV Physician, 11/06/09, by Lee Robin.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 11/08/09, by Feagles.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 11/17/09, by maggie k.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/09/10, by LRHH.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/09/10, by LRHH.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/09/10, by LRHH.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker--BAD EXPERIENCE WITH DR. SHOEMAKER, 1/18/10, by Confused.
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