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Re: Defending Shoemaker, Dr.Norton Fishman, A Better Choice
Posted by ff on 11/06/07


    Rob:

    Certainly, you are not referring to my posts? If so, you are overloaded with too many
    mischaracterizations and false assumptions to evoke a more detailed response.

    ff

    On 11/04/07, Rob wrote:
    > Looks like Dr. Shoemakers " Warriors" are here to defend him and to cut down anyone who
    > has not had the same luck with this doctor.I have to say I don't like it too much. There
    > is a name for that, it's called "Bully." If some people have had a bad luck with
    > Shoemaker, have the respect to let them talk about it. If Shoemarker doesn't like people
    > saying bad stuff about him he can readjust his attitude.
    > And what is this bullying mentality?Who cares if the dude or chick can spell or not? Do
    > I care? Do you live in the real world? $850.00 is a lot of dough to come up with at
    > once. The person asking to pay five hundred and the rest the next month is not a lot to
    > ask of a doctor when you consider people might be disabled and are not working when they
    > are sick. 500.00 and the rest next month is something a cool doctor would do, my family
    > doctor did but if the doctor can't swing it, at least be cool to the people who are
    > calling to get help. People are people, not dirt.
    > I lucked out in the doctor department. I have a good and reasonable priced Lyme doctor
    > (LLMD), Dr.Norton Fishman in Rockville. His cost is 375.00 for an hour and a half first
    > time visit, and 140.00 for follow up.Dr. Fishman understands that chronicly ill patients
    > do not always come loaded with money.I didn't have to pay 850.00 to see a good doctor.
    > So to Sick and Tired, I know your frustration because I have come across your same
    > problem but Dude,you don't need to pay 850.00 for your first consult to get well, go to
    > Dr. Fishman if you are in Maryland. He knows about mold, toxins, Lyme, fatigue He's a
    > good dude too, tests for everything.You will get treated well too, no phone games like
    > Shoemaker and his staff are into.I got tired of the nonescence too and then got turned
    > on to Norton Fishman. It was a wait of about 2 and a half months to get in, but without
    > big hurdles to climb over, no games either and well worth the wait.He is a nutritionist
    > too so I am getting my health back and rebuilding my immune system.
    >
    >
    >
    > On 10/23/07, ff wrote:
    >> Audrey Schuek:
    >>
    >> Yes, that's absolutely right. Except, Dr. Shoemaker was excluded from the
    >> characterization of typical MD approaches. In my opinon, he has revealed and
    >> validated the "big unkown" and mystique surrounding mycotoxin exposure. In contrast
    >> to the MD's characterized in my post, he did something... Absent the disasterous
    >> conditions my family experiences, I would gladly contribute to funding of continued
    >> efforts by Dr. Shoemaker, including the funds needed by "sick and tired", rather than
    >> condemn the best shot we have at resolving mycotoxin related health issues.
    >>
    >> ff
    >>
    >> On 10/21/07, Audrey Schueck wrote:
    >>> On 9/16/07, ff wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> DC,
    >>>>
    >>>> Thank you. I am giving my opinons here, and not entering into anyone's
    >>>> profession, as I am not qualified to speak for anyone but myself. However, I
    >>>> don't see where the big "unknown" is, nor the mystique surrounding mycotoxin
    >>>> exposure as seems to be suggested. What I have seen, are MD's that did not care
    >>>> enough to dig into the subject, that's what creates the mystique - laziness
    >>>> demands it, or otherwise they have stop, study, and spend time - waste time-
    >>>> rather cranking them out, the course of least resistance.
    >>>>
    >>>> ff
    >>>>
    >>>> On 9/16/07, DC wrote:
    >>>>> ff,
    >>>>> you have made valid points but they do not excuse the fundamental priciples of
    >>>>> giving patient total informed consent. be honest and tell the patient "we are on
    >>>>> a journey into the unknown" nothing would be wrong with that. failure to FULLY
    >>>>> disclose info to patients is NOT EXCUSED by Dr. Shoemaker's willingness to treat
    >>>>> ailments many other doctors(unfortunately) do in fact ignore.DC
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 9/09/07, ff wrote:
    >>>>>> On 9/09/07, dc chick wrote:
    >>>>>>> I certainly have regard for doctors who challenge science that is put forth
    >>>>>>> by the FDA, CDC, etc, but this Dr. Shoemaker needs to clean up his ethics
    >>>>>>> and treat people with compassion and have regard for their well being and
    >>>>>>> above all respect them. I'm appalled that he did not give patients informed
    >>>>>>> consent (see casewatch.org) also, he treated me like dirt demonmstrating a
    >>>>>>> lack of anger control. so creative scientist or not, where is the trust?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/07, Tracy Hans wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> Hi! In reading the entire discussion, I want to contribute my thoughts.
    >>>>>>>>> I am tired and a bit irritated from reading some of these posts, feel
    >>>>>>>>> the need to respond.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Advancing medicine, or the health field involves theoretical
    >>>>>>>>> postulation. Empirical evidence is not borne from scientific testing
    >>>>>>>>> without theory.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> No progress is made without taking risks. Very few doctors will do so,
    >>>>>>>>> for fear- fear of being proven wrong, fear of patients lawsuit, fear of
    >>>>>>>>> going against the grain, fear of learning that their formal training was
    >>>>>>>>> flawed, fear of success, even. A combination of some of these fears,
    >>>>>>>>> perhaps.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> For those of us whom have suffered from chronic illness that 3/4 of the
    >>>>>>>>> traditional docs will not listen to (question, explore, experiment,
    >>>>>>>>> etc.),
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> DC, Tracy...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> DC, You mentioned you read Dr. Shoemaker's books. I am re-reading, again, and
    >>>>>> learning. Tracy, also mentioned theories and risks, and the large number of
    >>>>>> doctors most of us have seen
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> What stands out to me in the books by Dr. Shoemaker is not consistent with
    >>>>>> your post, or at least is not referenced in your post. That is, what you see
    >>>>>> in the books is one doctor, that does not appear to be hiding behind the
    >>>>>> routine statements doctors often give about illnesses that do not lend
    >>>>>> themselves to rapid diagnosis (turnover, $'s). In reading the books, what
    >>>>>> stands out is one doctor, that actually uses his ability, education, patient
    >>>>>> experience, medical knowledge and other resources to identify and treat
    >>>>>> disease.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> How many doctors have you visited that were willing to do this, as opposed to
    >>>>>> being confined by the clock, turnover rate, etc.? I think what has been
    >>>>>> described as risk-taking and theory, is wrong and should be described
    >>>>>> accurately as Dr. Shoemaker using his medical knowledge and capabilities to
    >>>>>> solve problems while most others fail to this because it does not fit neatly
    >>>>>> into the day's schedule in terms of turnover.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Basically, call it laziness. As far as risks, I think the risk-taking is on
    >>>>>> the part of those doctors who know something is wrong, are not willing to use
    >>>>>> their medical expertise to solve it, and send the patient out the door using
    >>>>>> the get-rid-of-this-one and back-to-business techniques. Just think of some
    >>>>>> of the statements you have heard, and post a few realizing what they really
    >>>>>> mean.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> ff
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>


     
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