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Re: Defending Shoemaker, Dr.Norton Fishman, A Better Choice
Posted by Nikki on 12/01/07

    I would agree Dr.Norton Fishman is a very good choice!!!!!He is a lifesaver and a nice
    person too.I felt at ease and comfortable with him at the start, which I did not feel with
    Dr.Ritchie Shoemaker.
    Last year, Dr. Fishman diagnosed my problems which was a laundry list! (uggg!). I had
    fungal, hypoadrenalism and heavy metal toxicity illness, but today I have my life back and
    better because he also treated my nutritional needs too and because of him I changed my way
    of eating, my approach to self care is much more serious now.I could not have done this
    without Dr. Fishman's help and his very , very nice team at Optimal Health Physicians.

    Just like Dr. Shoemaker, Dr. Fishman can diagnose difficult chronic illnesses without the
    bad attitude that comes with Dr. Shoemaker and those who work for him. Hugs, Nikki

    On 11/06/07, ff wrote:
    >
    > Rob:
    >
    > Certainly, you are not referring to my posts? If so, you are overloaded with too many
    > mischaracterizations and false assumptions to evoke a more detailed response.
    >
    > ff
    >
    > On 11/04/07, Rob wrote:
    >> Looks like Dr. Shoemakers " Warriors" are here to defend him and to cut down anyone who
    >> has not had the same luck with this doctor.I have to say I don't like it too much. There
    >> is a name for that, it's called "Bully." If some people have had a bad luck with
    >> Shoemaker, have the respect to let them talk about it. If Shoemarker doesn't like people
    >> saying bad stuff about him he can readjust his attitude.
    >> And what is this bullying mentality?Who cares if the dude or chick can spell or not? Do
    >> I care? Do you live in the real world? $850.00 is a lot of dough to come up with at
    >> once. The person asking to pay five hundred and the rest the next month is not a lot to
    >> ask of a doctor when you consider people might be disabled and are not working when they
    >> are sick. 500.00 and the rest next month is something a cool doctor would do, my family
    >> doctor did but if the doctor can't swing it, at least be cool to the people who are
    >> calling to get help. People are people, not dirt.
    >> I lucked out in the doctor department. I have a good and reasonable priced Lyme doctor
    >> (LLMD), Dr.Norton Fishman in Rockville. His cost is 375.00 for an hour and a half first
    >> time visit, and 140.00 for follow up.Dr. Fishman understands that chronicly ill patients
    >> do not always come loaded with money.I didn't have to pay 850.00 to see a good doctor.
    >> So to Sick and Tired, I know your frustration because I have come across your same
    >> problem but Dude,you don't need to pay 850.00 for your first consult to get well, go to
    >> Dr. Fishman if you are in Maryland. He knows about mold, toxins, Lyme, fatigue He's a
    >> good dude too, tests for everything.You will get treated well too, no phone games like
    >> Shoemaker and his staff are into.I got tired of the nonescence too and then got turned
    >> on to Norton Fishman. It was a wait of about 2 and a half months to get in, but without
    >> big hurdles to climb over, no games either and well worth the wait.He is a nutritionist
    >> too so I am getting my health back and rebuilding my immune system.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> On 10/23/07, ff wrote:
    >>> Audrey Schuek:
    >>>
    >>> Yes, that's absolutely right. Except, Dr. Shoemaker was excluded from the
    >>> characterization of typical MD approaches. In my opinon, he has revealed and
    >>> validated the "big unkown" and mystique surrounding mycotoxin exposure. In contrast
    >>> to the MD's characterized in my post, he did something... Absent the disasterous
    >>> conditions my family experiences, I would gladly contribute to funding of continued
    >>> efforts by Dr. Shoemaker, including the funds needed by "sick and tired", rather than
    >>> condemn the best shot we have at resolving mycotoxin related health issues.
    >>>
    >>> ff
    >>>
    >>> On 10/21/07, Audrey Schueck wrote:
    >>>> On 9/16/07, ff wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> DC,
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Thank you. I am giving my opinons here, and not entering into anyone's
    >>>>> profession, as I am not qualified to speak for anyone but myself. However, I
    >>>>> don't see where the big "unknown" is, nor the mystique surrounding mycotoxin
    >>>>> exposure as seems to be suggested. What I have seen, are MD's that did not care
    >>>>> enough to dig into the subject, that's what creates the mystique - laziness
    >>>>> demands it, or otherwise they have stop, study, and spend time - waste time-
    >>>>> rather cranking them out, the course of least resistance.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> ff
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On 9/16/07, DC wrote:
    >>>>>> ff,
    >>>>>> you have made valid points but they do not excuse the fundamental priciples of
    >>>>>> giving patient total informed consent. be honest and tell the patient "we are on
    >>>>>> a journey into the unknown" nothing would be wrong with that. failure to FULLY
    >>>>>> disclose info to patients is NOT EXCUSED by Dr. Shoemaker's willingness to treat
    >>>>>> ailments many other doctors(unfortunately) do in fact ignore.DC
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On 9/09/07, ff wrote:
    >>>>>>> On 9/09/07, dc chick wrote:
    >>>>>>>> I certainly have regard for doctors who challenge science that is put forth
    >>>>>>>> by the FDA, CDC, etc, but this Dr. Shoemaker needs to clean up his ethics
    >>>>>>>> and treat people with compassion and have regard for their well being and
    >>>>>>>> above all respect them. I'm appalled that he did not give patients informed
    >>>>>>>> consent (see casewatch.org) also, he treated me like dirt demonmstrating a
    >>>>>>>> lack of anger control. so creative scientist or not, where is the trust?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/07, Tracy Hans wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> Hi! In reading the entire discussion, I want to contribute my thoughts.
    >>>>>>>>>> I am tired and a bit irritated from reading some of these posts, feel
    >>>>>>>>>> the need to respond.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Advancing medicine, or the health field involves theoretical
    >>>>>>>>>> postulation. Empirical evidence is not borne from scientific testing
    >>>>>>>>>> without theory.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> No progress is made without taking risks. Very few doctors will do so,
    >>>>>>>>>> for fear- fear of being proven wrong, fear of patients lawsuit, fear of
    >>>>>>>>>> going against the grain, fear of learning that their formal training was
    >>>>>>>>>> flawed, fear of success, even. A combination of some of these fears,
    >>>>>>>>>> perhaps.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> For those of us whom have suffered from chronic illness that 3/4 of the
    >>>>>>>>>> traditional docs will not listen to (question, explore, experiment,
    >>>>>>>>>> etc.),
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> DC, Tracy...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> DC, You mentioned you read Dr. Shoemaker's books. I am re-reading, again, and
    >>>>>>> learning. Tracy, also mentioned theories and risks, and the large number of
    >>>>>>> doctors most of us have seen
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> What stands out to me in the books by Dr. Shoemaker is not consistent with
    >>>>>>> your post, or at least is not referenced in your post. That is, what you see
    >>>>>>> in the books is one doctor, that does not appear to be hiding behind the
    >>>>>>> routine statements doctors often give about illnesses that do not lend
    >>>>>>> themselves to rapid diagnosis (turnover, $'s). In reading the books, what
    >>>>>>> stands out is one doctor, that actually uses his ability, education, patient
    >>>>>>> experience, medical knowledge and other resources to identify and treat
    >>>>>>> disease.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> How many doctors have you visited that were willing to do this, as opposed to
    >>>>>>> being confined by the clock, turnover rate, etc.? I think what has been
    >>>>>>> described as risk-taking and theory, is wrong and should be described
    >>>>>>> accurately as Dr. Shoemaker using his medical knowledge and capabilities to
    >>>>>>> solve problems while most others fail to this because it does not fit neatly
    >>>>>>> into the day's schedule in terms of turnover.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Basically, call it laziness. As far as risks, I think the risk-taking is on
    >>>>>>> the part of those doctors who know something is wrong, are not willing to use
    >>>>>>> their medical expertise to solve it, and send the patient out the door using
    >>>>>>> the get-rid-of-this-one and back-to-business techniques. Just think of some
    >>>>>>> of the statements you have heard, and post a few realizing what they really
    >>>>>>> mean.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> ff
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>


     
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