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Re: Re:Tammy/Mrs. Winterkorn
Posted by Greg Weatherman on 12/23/05
FF,
You're absolutely correct. These two are engaged in a smear campaign. The timing is a
dead give-away.
Dr. Shoemaker's research is gaining traction. Politicians in on Capitol Hill are
starting to listen. So, "status quo" group has nothing left but to smear his name so we
will hopefully ignore the fact Dr. Shoemaker and Dr. Ken Hudnell found several needles
in a haystack.
Mr. Winterkorn: Why was Dr. Shoemaker's Pfisteria paper accepted by the
CDC's "Environmenal Health Perspective"? Are you a defense lawyer?
Tammy: We don't care what Dr. Brennan'w opinions may be unless he can give us some
credible information to explain why people suffer from mold. Please stop filling the
chatboard with idle gossip.
Regards,
Greg Weatherman
aerobioLogical Solutions Inc.
Arlington VA 22202
gw@aerobiological.com
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On 12/23/05, ff wrote:
>
> Hi Tammy:
>
> Yes, I know Wintercorn stated that he was an attorney. which may or may not be
> somethinig to brag about. Why bring it up at all? Jealousy, and had to point out he
> has a DOCTORATE as well? I referred to him as "doctor," politely sarcastic, and
> several steps above calling him an idiot.
>
> Dude, warning, idiot...
>
> Send some more, Tammy.
>
> Now, what's more important, is the medical consensus that so many rely on. That's OK,
> except when it is wrong and it is, often wrong. I recall an MD criticizing Dr.
> Shoemaker regarding Lyme disease - "That's crazy, there is no Lyme disease in FL."
>
> Well, a few years later, now, and Lyme is recognized as more than present in FL. The
> same criticizer now, would look like a, well, reaL IDIOT, to use you manner of
> poiteness, to make the same denial and criticism of Dr. Shoemaker.
>
> The idiots are those that refuse to accept obvious change.
>
> ff
>
> On 12/21/05, Tammy wrote:
>> Read the post, you idiot. Winterkorn says he is an attorney, not a physician.
>> There appears to be no jealousy of any sort there, sounds like a warning to me, dude.
>>
>> Dr. Brennan now practices in my hometown, Somerset, PA. Why don't you ask him what
>> he thinks of the good doctor's practices? He KNOWS, he was in practice with him for
>> 4 years before he got out of town.
>>
>> By the way, who awards this "Physician of the Year" award? Who recommends the
>> candidates? There must be precious few decent physicians in Maryland if Dr. Shoe is
>> the award-winner. Is it possible there were no other candidates nominated? Just
>> wondering....
>>
>> Tammy
>>
>> ------------
>> On 12/21/05, ff wrote:
>>>
>>> I really appreciate the board now; it has helped in learning to be careful in
>>> reaching conclusions, and to recognize that often times, even well-meaning people
>>> that propose to have knowledge, really do not. It is not worth delving into, or
>>> debating, as there are several basic, but significant flaws in the obvious attempt
>>> to discredit Dr. Shoemaker.
>>>
>>> Setting aside the factual basis for exposure fo Wintercorn's distorted view, still
>>> leaves the question as to whether Wintercorn himself, may be jealous of Dr.
>>> Shoemeker - Wintercorn brought up the subject of jealousy.
>>>
>>> Without addressing specifics, recognize the award given to Dr. Shoemaker in recent
>>> years - a Maryland MD of the year award. Get a life, Wintercorn, do something
>>> good, take a break for the holidays...
>>>
>>> ff
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/20/05, Kurt D. Winterkorn wrote:
>>>> I was his undergraduate college roommate at Duke, and he was a quack even back
>>>> then. For fun and amusement, he used to drink whole bottles of Robitussin A-C
>>>> (with codeine) at a time, and it's all been downhill since then. Some of his
>>>> issues may have had to do with his competition for his mother's attention with
>>>> his older brother Wells (who is also a physician, but I am told, not a quack).
>>>>
>>>> While doing his residency at Williamsport Hospital and Medical Center in Lycoming
>>>> County, Pennsylvania, he once introduced me on a visit to his workplace as a
>>>> medical colleague and a researcher (I am in fact an attorney). Some patients
>>>> with prescriptions for controlled substances written by Dr. Shoemaker found it
>>>> difficult to get them filled at many pharmacies within a 50-mile radius of
>>>> Williamsport - why that might have been, who knows?
>>>>
>>>> He then moved on to the DelMarVa peninsula to begin his private practice. One of
>>>> his former medical school associates, Dr. Tom Brennan, was in practice with him
>>>> for a time, until it all got to be too much for him and he cleared out for a
>>>> saner locale, and apparently has never looked back.
>>>>
>>>> For an "interesting" read, check out his self-published book on pfisteria, which
>>>> comes complete with wacky theories and inappropriate medical advice (I might call
>>>> it a novel, since much of it is fiction). After its publication, the CDC in
>>>> Atlanta found it appropriate to issue a statement to the effect that "there is no
>>>> such syndrome as human pfisteria illness."
>>>>
>>>> The FDA warning letter can be found at:
>>>> http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/g4710d.htm
>>>>
>>>> Persons needing medical attention are urged to seek medical advice and treatment
>>>> from large, reputable hospitals and reputable physicians in their local
>>>> communities, and leave off searching the Internet, lest they find themselves in
>>>> the care of some physician similar to Dr. Shoemaker.
>>>>
>>>> KDW, Alexandria, Virginia
>>>>
>>>> -------------Earlier thread--------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Mr. Greg Weatherman, I have been following Shoemaker for quit
>>>>>>>>> some time now and know several people he's treated. The bottom line is
>>>>>>>>> that this doctor is dangerous. Don't believe me? He just recently
>>>>>>>>> received a warning letter from the FDA about his prescribing the
>>>>>>>>> veterinary drug Staphage Lysate to human beings. Need further
>>>>>>>>> evidence? He treats Lymes Disease with Actos, a diabetic medication
>>>>>>>>> and does not understand how it works. That's because, in all
>>>>>>>>> likelyhood, it is voodoo medicine. To make matters worse, the
>>>>>>>>> cholesterol medication CSM that binds bilesalts to stools is treated
>>>>>>>>> for a neurotoxin that he's NEVER isolated, for mold related disorders
>>>>>>>>> he can't proove. The reason Dr. Shoemaker is dangerous is because he
>>>>>>>>> prescribes medication based soley on theory and not scientific fact.
>>>>>>>>> He is a mad quack. This is a physican who believes that because he
>>>>>>>>> treated a woman with CSM and her headaches and lethargy went away that
>>>>>>>>> it MUST BE related to a toxin; which is all theory and quackery, which
>>>>>>>>> is something he can't proove. In all likelyhood, the reason the first
>>>>>>>>> woman's symptoms went away after he treated her with CSM is because
>>>>>>>>> she was no longer DEHYDRATED from diarrhea and thus felt better. But
>>>>>>>>> this is going to seem too simple to you. You're going to scoff at
>>>>>>>>> this. Fine. Dr. Shoemaker needs to proove it. The bottom line is, he
>>>>>>>>> can't. And in all patients, placebo-affect is known to transcend
>>>>>>>>> thirty percent of patients who think and want to feel better and most
>>>>>>>>> importantly, HEAR it from a doctor. He may very well have isolated a
>>>>>>>>> Pfisteria outbreak in Pockomoke. Good for him. But the idea that he
>>>>>>>>> has a thriving business now based upon the idea that most CFS is
>>>>>>>>> caused by neurtoxins is ridiculous. There is no proof. He treats
>>>>>>>>> patients as if they were lab animals at his beck and call, under the
>>>>>>>>> guise that he is doing them a favor. The tone in your text, suggesting
>>>>>>>>> that the cockroaches will run for cover makes me think that you are a
>>>>>>>>> fan of his; that's fine if you wish, but remember something, he may
>>>>>>>>> very well be wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adding an "a" to the end of my name is childish. And I suggest to you that
>>>>> you've taken too personally my criticisms of Dr. Shoemaker. And so you say
>>>>> that writing is taught, eh? Well I've got news for you. First, I'm a
>>>>> Registered Nurse with over 10 years hospital experience; the last five of
>>>>> which are in Critical Care. And I've saved hundreds of lives, sir; many dying
>>>>> from toxic related shock and septicemia. Secondly, I've brought people back
>>>>> from the dead, have you? I've brought people back from the dead from my
>>>>> running the codes and directing and giving orders without the help of
>>>>> fumbiling doctors. Second, I'm in school for my master's degree and third, I'm
>>>>> a published writer. Now that the educational discrepencies are out of the way
>>>>> I'll say this. Dr. Shoemaker may very well be on to something, he may very
>>>>> well be right. And I agree with you, that there are plenty of warning signs
>>>>> out right now to suggest that mold causes human illness. I'm open to that. And
>>>>> I'm also chronically aware that lest then two hundred years ago people new
>>>>> nothing of Bacteria, let alone viruses and prions. The problem I have with Dr.
>>>>> Shoemaker is that his treatment modalities are unproven. Every study I've read
>>>>> on Choelystriamine conflict. I've even talked to a colleague of mine whose
>>>>> Brother-In-Law helped design and pioneer Choleystiramine. Even he doesn't
>>>>> know. And my wife is diagnosed by Dr. Shoemaker as having a neurotoxin
>>>>> mediated illness from Aspirgillus. And the bottom line is this, I've
>>>>> instructed my wife to stop Choleystiramine and drink water and eat healthier
>>>>> and excericise on a daily basis; you know what? She feels even better than
>>>>> before she started the drug. Here is another bottom line. Medicine is evidence
>>>>> based, not theory based. Shoemaker treats without proof and ABOVE ALL, he
>>>>> should not only be open to criticism, as should you, especially with unrpooven
>>>>> modalities, but he should even welcome it. As any pioneering reasercher would.
>>>>> It is not Shoemaker vs. the Establishment. His priorities should be isolating
>>>>> the neruotoxin and then, with double blind, placebo-controlled groups, finding
>>>>> a way to measure for the toxin level drop in blood, while detecting an
>>>>> increase in feces. We can do that with Cholstridium. And so you don't know
>>>>> anything about Dr. Shoemaker's warning letter, huh? Then do this, unless
>>>>> you're afraid to. Bring up the Google web browser and type, in this order:
>>>>> Shoemaker, Ritchie C. And there, in pretty blue letters, right at the tipy-top
>>>>> of the page, will be his FDA warning letter about using the doggie medicine
>>>>> Staphage Lysate on Humans. Woof-Woof!
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