Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat
Posted by ff on 12/28/07
Melody and Tracy: I have a hard time understanding that while you guys are sick and need a doctor that is willing to dig into your problems, you spend time discussing demeanor, bed-side manner. Hey, offend me if you want, I don't care, I'll go for the cure any day. ff On 12/27/07, melody wrote: > Dear Tracey, > It should not matter if Dr. Shoemaker and your Lyme doctor get along or not. Dr. Shoemaker > should have been nice to you or he could have been honest and tell you that he didn't like your > Lyme doctor, or keep his feelings to himself. If he doesn't like your Lyme doctor that should > have nothing to do with how he relates with you. We need to strive to find out what is making us > sick and we shouldn't have to get the cold shoulder because we chose to go to another doctor. > maybe he though you didn't have enough faith in him and it hurt his feeling but he should have > been more professional about it, i don't agree that it's ok to be this way with a patient.But I > do think he may be a good doctor in spite of his attitude. > Melody > > > > On 12/23/07, Tracy wrote: >> Hi! When I posted last year (see above), I had only read about the doctor and read some of > his >> work. Sorry, seems that I might've misled a few readers). I wrote about my philosophy and >> about risk taking and in general, doctors going against the grain, theory driven treatment, >> etc. I was (and still am) impressed with the writing and the work that RS does (with a caveat >> regarding attitude). It is a warning, as there is so much political angst tied up in research >> on chronic illness, and it is coming out in many ways (we see it in our own discussion here). >> >> I recently went to him, and am starting the protocol. Not sure how though (more below). I >> totally understand folks responding to doctor and staff's odd or negative attitudes. I felt >> comfortable during the visit, but after that had two phone sessions where I perceived a lot of >> hostility on his end. In between, he sent me this fax that was incredibly insensitive. I >> believe that it was in response to my telling him that I had a standing appointment to see a >> (specific) Lyme doctor. During the second phone call he questioned why I was seeing him (Lyme >> specialist). Reading in between the lines, two months later, I realize they simply dislike >> each other. That might be putting it mildly. I was/am caught in the middle. I didn't know > it >> then though. It was so difficult and upsetting to read his fax, which was accompanied by a >> test result (C4a) that was so out of whack. The fax reads "You are making very poor decisions >> in regards to the evaluation of your health. You should've gotten an MR Spectroscopy. You > need >> to look more closely at the mechanism of your illness". And that was it. He and I had never >> talked about an MR Spectroscopy. Someone from his office had called me while I was on my way >> to see if I wanted it, and I said that I didn't know, that she should try to schedule it for >> me. She ended up saying I'd have to stay in MD for another few days, which I couldn't do. So >> I figured he and I would talk about it, but it never came up. >> >> After getting the fax, I called over to one of his staff, and was informed that she couldn't >> tell me specifically what the message was referring to. She said he wanted to 'prepare me for >> the next phone consult'. I spent all my waking hours trying to figure out what C4a >> specifically meant, and was so confused. Lyme or no Lyme??? It was a very difficult thing to >> go through. I'm still not 100&37; sure why according to him I am not making good decisions in >> regards to my health (I have stopped at NOTHING to gain new information, to take a thorough >> approach, to honestly look at all results, take into account all doctos, all research, etc. I >> have kept all my records, etc. Been like the model patient). So to read that, I was VERY >> surprised. And I took it personally. As I did the attacks on Shoemaker and his research, > from >> this Lyme doctor after I went. I have to say that I feel very isolated due to BOTH of these >> doctors' lack of sensitivity. It has left me unsure of which protocol to follow. I cannot >> seem to fit them both in, I would have to modify one. One seems to believe in Chronic Lyme, >> the other in Post Lyme Syndrome. >> >> So I find myself caught up in this mix, and am trying to separate personality, defensiveness, >> etc. from science. But I am not a doctor. I am a Licensed Psychotherapist and I cannot > figure >> this out. If you read the introduction section of the packet Dr. Shoe sends, it sounds like >> words from a war veteran- you can tell he has been burned before and has scars to prove it. >> >> I'm not sure what I'm getting at here, just that I want to recognize folks' experience of the >> backlash of this- the result of possibly burned out staff, the doctor so used to defending >> himself that it is projected onto patients, etc. I am not excusing it, but perhaps validating >> some people's experience here. And I guess I'm also wanting to ask if anyone here has tried a >> modified protocol (CSM 2x/day as opposed to 4, along with antibiotics at the same time). >> >> Both doctors seem very concerned about the status of my health (Dr.Shoemaker said I should be >> existing in a bubble, the other doc said if I continue to go without aggressive Lyme > treatment, >> I will have a worse spect scan / brain damage). I honestly don't want to ever talk to either >> one again. What a position to be in. >> >> There's one more thing I want to add, an ODD thing, and that surrounds the Mycometrics. Has >> anyone done this (ERMI) testing? >> Thanks in advance to your response- >> Tracy >>
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- shoemaker, 10/08/03, by sacliff@msn.com.
- Re: shoemaker, 10/09/03, by ff.
- Re: shoemaker, 10/11/03, by sherrie.
- Re: shoemaker, 10/12/03, by ff.
- Re: sherri eseeking info, 10/12/03, by ff.
- Re: sherri eseeking info, 10/15/03, by sherrie.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 12/01/03, by Terry Elias.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/29/04, by Nancy Bramson.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 2/10/04, by Teresa Greene.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 2/13/04, by Karen Parisis.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/29/04, by IanChristopher.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/29/04, by IanChristopher.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 4/02/04, by Gloria Horsley.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 4/02/04, by SD Teacher.
- Re: sherri eseeking info, 4/12/04, by sherrie.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/03/05, by john biles.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/04/05, by Greg Weatherman.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/06/05, by Kay Bowers.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/07/05, by curious.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/25/05, by Eric.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/25/05, by Greg Weatherman.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/29/05, by Eric.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/29/05, by Eric.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 1/29/05, by Eric.
- Re: ERIC, 1/30/05, by ff.
- Re: ERIC, 1/30/05, by ff.
- Re: shoemaker, 1/31/05, by Jyl Burgener.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 2/01/05, by Eric.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 2/02/05, by ff.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 2/24/05, by suzanne mccavanagh.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 2/24/05, by suzanne mccavanagh.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/29/05, by Janice.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker - wow, i'm stunned, 3/30/05, by mary.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker - wow, i'm stunned, 3/30/05, by Greg Weatherman.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker - wow, i'm stunned, 3/30/05, by mary.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/30/05, by v.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 5/12/05, by Andrea.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 5/22/05, by ZXR90.
- Re: shoemaker, 8/01/05, by Jim.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 8/05/05, by Linda Lee Johnson.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 8/05/05, by Linda Lee Johnson.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 9/14/05, by vivian.
- Re: shoemaker, 9/14/05, by vivian.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 10/08/05, by ANN.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 10/08/05, by ANN.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 10/10/05, by terry.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 11/27/05, by Marty Clarke.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 12/20/05, by Kurt D. Winterkorn.
- Re: Dr. Wintercorn, 12/21/05, by ff.
- Re: Dr. Shoemaker/Mr. Winterkorn, 12/21/05, by Tammy.
- Re: Dr. Wintercorn, 12/21/05, by v.
- Re: Re:Tammy/Mrs. Winterkorn, 12/23/05, by ff.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 12/23/05, by TMV.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 12/23/05, by A Griffith.
- Re: Re:Tammy/Mrs. Winterkorn, 12/23/05, by Greg Weatherman.
- Re: FF, 1/11/06, by DD.
- Re: FF, 2/28/06, by Sue.
- Re: FF, 2/28/06, by Sue.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/21/06, by Pat Romanosky.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 5/06/06, by Holly.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 7/02/06, by ed cohen.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 7/02/06, by ed cohen.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 9/11/06, by ANDREE Tanner.
- Re: shoemaker, 11/27/06, by Craig.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 11/29/06, by NOT AMUSED.
- Re: shoemaker, 12/16/06, by Kay.
- Re: shoemaker, 12/29/06, by AmerAcadMed1.
- Re: shoemaker, 3/13/07, by Claire.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/13/07, by Claire.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 3/14/07, by Fanua SP. (SCUPS-Student).
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 4/13/07, by Cindy Fulghum.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker--BAD EXPERIENCE WITH DR. SHOEMAKER, 5/01/07, by Virginia.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker--BAD EXPERIENCE WITH DR. SHOEMAKER, 5/01/07, by Virginia.
- Re: shoemaker, a real cruel stinker, 5/01/07, by Virginia.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 5/10/07, by David MacRae.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 6/13/07, by Tracy Hans.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 6/14/07, by ff.
- Re: shoemaker, a real cruel stinker -- WRONG!!, 8/01/07, by dlpgppmi.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 8/05/07, by john LaRocque.
- Re: Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, 8/05/07, by john LaRocque.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker--I'm not!!!!!, 9/09/07, by DC chick.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 9/09/07, by dc chick.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 9/09/07, by DC CHICK.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 9/09/07, by dc chick.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 9/09/07, by ff.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 9/16/07, by DC.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 9/16/07, by ff.
- Re: shoemaker, a real cruel stinker -- WRONG!!, 10/02/07, by Cory .
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 10/20/07, by sick and tired.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 10/21/07, by ff.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 10/21/07, by Audrey Schueck.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 10/21/07, by Audrey WS.
- Re: Dr. Shoemaker: One of a Kind, 10/21/07, by Erik Johnson.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 10/23/07, by ff.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker, Dr.Norton Fishman, A Better Choice, 11/04/07, by Rob.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker, Dr.Norton Fishman, A Better Choice, 11/06/07, by ff.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker, Dr.Norton Fishman, A Better Choice, 12/01/07, by Nikki.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker, Dr.Norton Fishman, A Better Choice, 12/01/07, by Nikki.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 12/23/07, by Tracy.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 12/27/07, by Melody.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 12/27/07, by melody.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 12/28/07, by ff.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 12/28/07, by ErikMoldWarrior.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 12/28/07, by ErikMoldWarrior.
- Re: Shoemaker/defending/clarity, 1/05/08, by Tracy.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 1/05/08, by ff.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/09/08, by Tracy.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/09/08, by ff.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/18/08, by Tracy.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/19/08, by ff.
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- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/19/08, by Ticked Off.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/19/08, by Ticked Off.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/20/08, by ff.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/20/08, by ff.
- Re: Defending Dr. Shoemaker, 1/20/08, by ff.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/20/08, by ErikMoldWarrior.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/22/08, by Tracy.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/22/08, by ff.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/22/08, by ff.
- Re: To FF/ Dr. Shoemaker, 1/27/08, by Tracy.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 2/22/08, by Deborah.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 2/22/08, by ff.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 3/03/08, by Deborah.
- Re: Shoemaker, better CFS doctor than Dr. James Baranuik GU, 3/08/08, by JL.
- Re: Shoemaker, better CFS doctor than Dr. James Baranuik GU, 4/06/08, by Me2, another lymie.
- Re: Shoemaker, better than CFS experts at Georgetown Uni, 4/06/08, by me2.
- Re: Dr. James Baraniuk, 5/03/08, by Another CFS/CBT victim.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 5/21/08, by Katie.
- Re: Dr. James Baraniuk, 5/21/08, by Katie.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 5/25/08, by Tracy.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 6/09/08, by Jill.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 6/09/08, by Jill.
- Re: June 23rd, 6/17/08, by Tracy.
- Re: June 23rd, 6/27/08, by mgfs.
- Re: Defending Shoemaker with caveat, 6/30/08, by Paul B. Ross.
- Re: June 23rd, 7/08/08, by Robert Christ.
- Re: June 23rd, 7/13/08, by S.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, 7/16/08, by Bruce.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, 7/21/08, by Seattle.
- Re: Shoemaker, better CFS doctor than Dr. James Baranuik GU, 7/21/08, by Seattle.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, 7/28/08, by Former Klimas Patient.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, 8/15/08, by Bad Experience.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, 8/15/08, by Bad Experience.
- Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas, 8/15/08, by BE.
- Re: June 23rd, 8/16/08, by Robert Christ.
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