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Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas
Posted by Bruce on 7/16/08

    Has anyone seen Dr. Nancy Klimas at the University of Miami for chronic fatigue? Please write of your
    experience.

    On 7/13/08, S wrote:
    > Robert,
    > You do make a good point but mold allergies are real and mainstream medicine knows that too. Lyme (not
    > Lymes) is real but it's not well understood, though your point is well taken there are quacks out there who
    > do diagnose such conditions with little proof and sell patients all this alternative garbage and promise
    > them they will get better.
    > "CFS", is a vague diagnosis doctors give when they lack the imagination to know what to do for these
    > patients. Many times, it's hormonal, bacterial or viral but everyone is lumped together but Fibromyalgia is
    > the champion of all quack conditions, just throw in the kitchen sink and this whopper of a so-called disease
    > describes it all. What is unfortunate is those stuck with this pitiful diagnosis which is maninly a hormonal
    > problem primarily in women with declining hormones and hypothyroid individuals. Too little is done about
    > women's hormonal issues, but you're right, it attracts quack-pot fringe doctors and so-called mainstream
    > doctors at universities who are on the payroll from big pharma.If you read the post above, the CFS doctor
    > at Georgetown sounds like a quack too, just a different variety then those in the alternative world.
    > I do want to add one thing worth mentioning, "mainstream" is not always correct. If you do your homework on
    > history of medicine you will find what was once considered a "stress" issue with a psychological base,
    > turned out to be real illnesses--such as RA, MS,bacterial ulcers--H-pylori. The doctor who discovered H-
    > Pylori (Dr. Barry Marshall) was laughed at for decades by his peers, then he won the peace prize.
    > Mainstream can be too ridgid and dogmatic in their aproach to understanding unknown disease--but quacks know
    > this too and take advantage of people--THAT is the problem. When mainstream can't explain things, they blame
    > psychology--that is a problem too.
    > The best we can do is find open minded doctors who truly want to help others and not take advantage of the
    > ill, or practice deceptive medicine.
    > I said what's on my mind but I do think your points are valid.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On 7/08/08, Robert Christ wrote:
    >> I recommend that people google "how to spot a quack" One thing quacks always gravitate towards is
    > conditions
    >> that conventional medicine doesn't address like mold related illness, lymes, cfs, mcs, etc. Just because
    >> they believe your condition is real doesn't qualify them to treat it. Many push vitimans and tox screens,
    >> expensive blood test's that are irrelevant but boast their bill and give the patient the impression the dr
    >> knows what he's doing. Many will sell you phony cures that supposedly "boast your immune system" or "remove
    >> toxins" Shoemaker is one of the few that actually prescribes conventional medicine for an unconventional
    >> purpose. I am not familer with the colosteral medication he prescribes but dubious of the claims he makes
    > as
    >> far as it's removing toxins, and especially dubious of the VCS test to measure its progress. Anyone who
    >> knows different please correct me but I don't think the purpose he prescribes it for is recommended by
    >> conventional or main stream MD's.
    >>
    >> ACMT has an article that refutes the mycotoxin connection to illness that shoemaker and others have been
    >> touting.
    >> http://www.acmt.net/cgi/page.cgi?aid=12&_id=52&zine=show
    >> Particularly read the passage where they say that we consume way more mycotoxins in the food we eat by
    >> orders of magnitudes than inhaled even in some of the worst mold contaminated buildings. So I am not
    >> attacking the person, just his practices, and have evidence to back it up via the acmt document. Some will
    >> say the science is payed for and bogus but this is not the MO of "paid for" science. They usually use straw
    >> man arguments, or smoke and mirror tactics, or Plausible deniability like the ACOEM position paper which I
    >> believe to be fairly accurate except where they claim MRI doesn't exist in the context of CFS which is
    > flat
    >> out wrong.
    >> Needless to say very damaging to those that suffer from mold related illness.
    >> http://www.acoem.org/guidelines.aspx?id=850
    >>
    >> ACMT on the other hand made a direct statement about a specific item, "mycotoxins" that could be
    >> challenged if what they are saying were not true. But nobody has.
    >>
    >> I believe mold related illness is much more complicated than the quacks make it out to be. I believe they
    >> are cashing in on our misery and the professional witness fees they get. I have suffered from it for 12
    >> years and believe the only treatment that is effective is mold avoidance. The best bet for a sufferer
    >> barring extreme measures is to find a relatively new house to live in with no history of water damage. You
    >> don't need to pay Dr's like showmaker tens of thousands of dollars to come to this simple conclusion. Just
    >> skip the middle man and save your money for the higher quality housing you need to control your mold
    > related
    >> symptoms.
    >>
    >> Those that believe they suffer from lymes, MCS, CFS, etc. I would implore to make close observation to
    >> their symptoms and their dwellings specifically to the degree of mold in them. Don't spend money on
    >> expensive testing or remediation, your better to save it and put it towards higher quality new housing.
    > If
    >> you can find a friend or relative willing to let you stay with them (with a new house with no history of
    >> leaks) for a month or two do this. Otherwise take the money you would spend on remediation and move into a
    >> new clean house or apt. for a month or two, if the difference in your health is undeniably better "MOVE"
    >> Craigslist.com has people with brand new homes looking to rent a room out, you can get into one of these
    > for
    >> about 600 a month. Less than one visit to shoemaker or any of the other ahem "alternative medicine
    >> practitioners" and you will learn far more about your condition and how to treat it.
    >>
    >> Robert Christ
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> On 6/27/08, mgfs wrote:
    >>> First of all I would like to say I hope everyone suffering on this thread finds the answers and treatment
    >> they need to feel well and whole
    >>> again. After spending quite a bit of time with RS recently for a non clinical reason I would like to give
    >> my thoughts on the man. He is one
    >>> of the most immature egotistical self centered people I have ever met. He is a sensationalist capitalizing
    >> on the pain and ignorance of
    >>> others. And although I'm not a mental health pro I would lay money that he has borderline personality
    >> disorder. He is about one thing
    >>> and one thing only...lining the pockets of RS and pontificating the wonders of all things RS. All you have
    >> to do is walk in his waiting room
    >>> and observe "The Shrine" dedicated to the glory of RS to know there is something not right with this man.
    >> My favorite part of "The Shrine"
    >>> is an ad he has for a diet he made up that says something like "My way works, does yours?". Now what makes
    >> this so funny is he is a very
    >>> overweight man. Folks, use your head when it comes to this guy. if it looks like and smells like, it
    >> probably is.
    >>>


     
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