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Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas
Posted by Seattle on 7/21/08
I saw her and what a mistake it was! Half-baked medical care and no in depth diagnostic tests, only a few blood
tests.Very hard to reach by phone and those who work for her are unprofessional, she never returns calls. She
missed what was the causative factor involved in my fatigue.I have a good doctor now that is not involved in CFS
and that racket.
On 7/16/08, Bruce wrote:
> Has anyone seen Dr. Nancy Klimas at the University of Miami for chronic fatigue? Please write of your
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> On 7/13/08, S wrote:
>> Robert,
>> You do make a good point but mold allergies are real and mainstream medicine knows that too. Lyme (not
>> Lymes) is real but it's not well understood, though your point is well taken there are quacks out there who
>> do diagnose such conditions with little proof and sell patients all this alternative garbage and promise
>> them they will get better.
>> "CFS", is a vague diagnosis doctors give when they lack the imagination to know what to do for these
>> patients. Many times, it's hormonal, bacterial or viral but everyone is lumped together but Fibromyalgia is
>> the champion of all quack conditions, just throw in the kitchen sink and this whopper of a so-called disease
>> describes it all. What is unfortunate is those stuck with this pitiful diagnosis which is maninly a hormonal
>> problem primarily in women with declining hormones and hypothyroid individuals. Too little is done about
>> women's hormonal issues, but you're right, it attracts quack-pot fringe doctors and so-called mainstream
>> doctors at universities who are on the payroll from big pharma.If you read the post above, the CFS doctor
>> at Georgetown sounds like a quack too, just a different variety then those in the alternative world.
>> I do want to add one thing worth mentioning, "mainstream" is not always correct. If you do your homework on
>> history of medicine you will find what was once considered a "stress" issue with a psychological base,
>> turned out to be real illnesses--such as RA, MS,bacterial ulcers--H-pylori. The doctor who discovered H-
>> Pylori (Dr. Barry Marshall) was laughed at for decades by his peers, then he won the peace prize.
>> Mainstream can be too ridgid and dogmatic in their aproach to understanding unknown disease--but quacks know
>> this too and take advantage of people--THAT is the problem. When mainstream can't explain things, they blame
>> psychology--that is a problem too.
>> The best we can do is find open minded doctors who truly want to help others and not take advantage of the
>> ill, or practice deceptive medicine.
>> I said what's on my mind but I do think your points are valid.
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>> On 7/08/08, Robert Christ wrote:
>>> I recommend that people google "how to spot a quack" One thing quacks always gravitate towards is
>> conditions
>>> that conventional medicine doesn't address like mold related illness, lymes, cfs, mcs, etc. Just because
>>> they believe your condition is real doesn't qualify them to treat it. Many push vitimans and tox screens,
>>> expensive blood test's that are irrelevant but boast their bill and give the patient the impression the dr
>>> knows what he's doing. Many will sell you phony cures that supposedly "boast your immune system" or "remove
>>> toxins" Shoemaker is one of the few that actually prescribes conventional medicine for an unconventional
>>> purpose. I am not familer with the colosteral medication he prescribes but dubious of the claims he makes
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>>> far as it's removing toxins, and especially dubious of the VCS test to measure its progress. Anyone who
>>> knows different please correct me but I don't think the purpose he prescribes it for is recommended by
>>> conventional or main stream MD's.
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>>> ACMT has an article that refutes the mycotoxin connection to illness that shoemaker and others have been
>>> touting.
>>> http://www.acmt.net/cgi/page.cgi?aid=12&_id=52&zine=show
>>> Particularly read the passage where they say that we consume way more mycotoxins in the food we eat by
>>> orders of magnitudes than inhaled even in some of the worst mold contaminated buildings. So I am not
>>> attacking the person, just his practices, and have evidence to back it up via the acmt document. Some will
>>> say the science is payed for and bogus but this is not the MO of "paid for" science. They usually use straw
>>> man arguments, or smoke and mirror tactics, or Plausible deniability like the ACOEM position paper which I
>>> believe to be fairly accurate except where they claim MRI doesn't exist in the context of CFS which is
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>>> out wrong.
>>> Needless to say very damaging to those that suffer from mold related illness.
>>> http://www.acoem.org/guidelines.aspx?id=850
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>>> ACMT on the other hand made a direct statement about a specific item, "mycotoxins" that could be
>>> challenged if what they are saying were not true. But nobody has.
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>>> I believe mold related illness is much more complicated than the quacks make it out to be. I believe they
>>> are cashing in on our misery and the professional witness fees they get. I have suffered from it for 12
>>> years and believe the only treatment that is effective is mold avoidance. The best bet for a sufferer
>>> barring extreme measures is to find a relatively new house to live in with no history of water damage. You
>>> don't need to pay Dr's like showmaker tens of thousands of dollars to come to this simple conclusion. Just
>>> skip the middle man and save your money for the higher quality housing you need to control your mold
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>>> symptoms.
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>>> Those that believe they suffer from lymes, MCS, CFS, etc. I would implore to make close observation to
>>> their symptoms and their dwellings specifically to the degree of mold in them. Don't spend money on
>>> expensive testing or remediation, your better to save it and put it towards higher quality new housing.
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>>> you can find a friend or relative willing to let you stay with them (with a new house with no history of
>>> leaks) for a month or two do this. Otherwise take the money you would spend on remediation and move into a
>>> new clean house or apt. for a month or two, if the difference in your health is undeniably better "MOVE"
>>> Craigslist.com has people with brand new homes looking to rent a room out, you can get into one of these
>> for
>>> about 600 a month. Less than one visit to shoemaker or any of the other ahem "alternative medicine
>>> practitioners" and you will learn far more about your condition and how to treat it.
>>>
>>> Robert Christ
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>>> On 6/27/08, mgfs wrote:
>>>> First of all I would like to say I hope everyone suffering on this thread finds the answers and treatment
>>> they need to feel well and whole
>>>> again. After spending quite a bit of time with RS recently for a non clinical reason I would like to give
>>> my thoughts on the man. He is one
>>>> of the most immature egotistical self centered people I have ever met. He is a sensationalist capitalizing
>>> on the pain and ignorance of
>>>> others. And although I'm not a mental health pro I would lay money that he has borderline personality
>>> disorder. He is about one thing
>>>> and one thing only...lining the pockets of RS and pontificating the wonders of all things RS. All you have
>>> to do is walk in his waiting room
>>>> and observe "The Shrine" dedicated to the glory of RS to know there is something not right with this man.
>>> My favorite part of "The Shrine"
>>>> is an ad he has for a diet he made up that says something like "My way works, does yours?". Now what makes
>>> this so funny is he is a very
>>>> overweight man. Folks, use your head when it comes to this guy. if it looks like and smells like, it
>>> probably is.
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