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Re: Dr. Nancy Klimas
Posted by BE on 8/15/08
This is just typical Klimas.
On 7/28/08, Former Klimas Patient wrote:
> I call myself "Former Klimas Patient" but that's not fully accurate as she never did anything a good doctor would
> do besides run a couple of her "CFS" type blood tests. You probably know the drill, the NK cells, HHV6 and EBV.
> Never did she take the time to find out why I was so sick but that didn't stop her from giving me a CFS diagnosis
> with no answers.I thought going to a university hospital they would pull out all the stops to find out the cause
> of the fatigue but that didn't happen.
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> Don't waste your time, energy or hard earned money traveling to see Dr. Klimas.I was snowed at first thinking she
> was a caring woman doctor but really she cares about only her medical politics and government handouts. I had her
> all wrong and I paid for it with my health declining thanks to her. Did she diagnose me correctly? No. When I
> called her to leave information about the real cause of my "chronic fatigue" did she offer to help? Hell No! I
> didn't get a phone call back from her. I must of left about 10 messages at least some on voice mail others with
> the flighty secretary of hers.They never answer the phone.A very unprofessional medical practice.
> Johnnie
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> On 7/21/08, Seattle wrote:
>> I saw her and what a mistake it was! Half-baked medical care and no in depth diagnostic tests, only a few blood
>> tests.Very hard to reach by phone and those who work for her are unprofessional, she never returns calls. She
>> missed what was the causative factor involved in my fatigue.I have a good doctor now that is not involved in CFS
>> and that racket.
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>> On 7/16/08, Bruce wrote:
>>> Has anyone seen Dr. Nancy Klimas at the University of Miami for chronic fatigue? Please write of your
>>> experience.
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>>> On 7/13/08, S wrote:
>>>> Robert,
>>>> You do make a good point but mold allergies are real and mainstream medicine knows that too. Lyme (not
>>>> Lymes) is real but it's not well understood, though your point is well taken there are quacks out there who
>>>> do diagnose such conditions with little proof and sell patients all this alternative garbage and promise
>>>> them they will get better.
>>>> "CFS", is a vague diagnosis doctors give when they lack the imagination to know what to do for these
>>>> patients. Many times, it's hormonal, bacterial or viral but everyone is lumped together but Fibromyalgia is
>>>> the champion of all quack conditions, just throw in the kitchen sink and this whopper of a so-called disease
>>>> describes it all. What is unfortunate is those stuck with this pitiful diagnosis which is maninly a hormonal
>>>> problem primarily in women with declining hormones and hypothyroid individuals. Too little is done about
>>>> women's hormonal issues, but you're right, it attracts quack-pot fringe doctors and so-called mainstream
>>>> doctors at universities who are on the payroll from big pharma.If you read the post above, the CFS doctor
>>>> at Georgetown sounds like a quack too, just a different variety then those in the alternative world.
>>>> I do want to add one thing worth mentioning, "mainstream" is not always correct. If you do your homework on
>>>> history of medicine you will find what was once considered a "stress" issue with a psychological base,
>>>> turned out to be real illnesses--such as RA, MS,bacterial ulcers--H-pylori. The doctor who discovered H-
>>>> Pylori (Dr. Barry Marshall) was laughed at for decades by his peers, then he won the peace prize.
>>>> Mainstream can be too ridgid and dogmatic in their aproach to understanding unknown disease--but quacks know
>>>> this too and take advantage of people--THAT is the problem. When mainstream can't explain things, they blame
>>>> psychology--that is a problem too.
>>>> The best we can do is find open minded doctors who truly want to help others and not take advantage of the
>>>> ill, or practice deceptive medicine.
>>>> I said what's on my mind but I do think your points are valid.
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>>>> On 7/08/08, Robert Christ wrote:
>>>>> I recommend that people google "how to spot a quack" One thing quacks always gravitate towards is
>>>> conditions
>>>>> that conventional medicine doesn't address like mold related illness, lymes, cfs, mcs, etc. Just because
>>>>> they believe your condition is real doesn't qualify them to treat it. Many push vitimans and tox screens,
>>>>> expensive blood test's that are irrelevant but boast their bill and give the patient the impression the dr
>>>>> knows what he's doing. Many will sell you phony cures that supposedly "boast your immune system" or "remove
>>>>> toxins" Shoemaker is one of the few that actually prescribes conventional medicine for an unconventional
>>>>> purpose. I am not familer with the colosteral medication he prescribes but dubious of the claims he makes
>>>> as
>>>>> far as it's removing toxins, and especially dubious of the VCS test to measure its progress. Anyone who
>>>>> knows different please correct me but I don't think the purpose he prescribes it for is recommended by
>>>>> conventional or main stream MD's.
>>>>>
>>>>> ACMT has an article that refutes the mycotoxin connection to illness that shoemaker and others have been
>>>>> touting.
>>>>> http://www.acmt.net/cgi/page.cgi?aid=12&_id=52&zine=show
>>>>> Particularly read the passage where they say that we consume way more mycotoxins in the food we eat by
>>>>> orders of magnitudes than inhaled even in some of the worst mold contaminated buildings. So I am not
>>>>> attacking the person, just his practices, and have evidence to back it up via the acmt document. Some will
>>>>> say the science is payed for and bogus but this is not the MO of "paid for" science. They usually use straw
>>>>> man arguments, or smoke and mirror tactics, or Plausible deniability like the ACOEM position paper which I
>>>>> believe to be fairly accurate except where they claim MRI doesn't exist in the context of CFS which is
>>>> flat
>>>>> out wrong.
>>>>> Needless to say very damaging to those that suffer from mold related illness.
>>>>> http://www.acoem.org/guidelines.aspx?id=850
>>>>>
>>>>> ACMT on the other hand made a direct statement about a specific item, "mycotoxins" that could be
>>>>> challenged if what they are saying were not true. But nobody has.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe mold related illness is much more complicated than the quacks make it out to be. I believe they
>>>>> are cashing in on our misery and the professional witness fees they get. I have suffered from it for 12
>>>>> years and believe the only treatment that is effective is mold avoidance. The best bet for a sufferer
>>>>> barring extreme measures is to find a relatively new house to live in with no history of water damage. You
>>>>> don't need to pay Dr's like showmaker tens of thousands of dollars to come to this simple conclusion. Just
>>>>> skip the middle man and save your money for the higher quality housing you need to control your mold
>>>> related
>>>>> symptoms.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those that believe they suffer from lymes, MCS, CFS, etc. I would implore to make close observation to
>>>>> their symptoms and their dwellings specifically to the degree of mold in them. Don't spend money on
>>>>> expensive testing or remediation, your better to save it and put it towards higher quality new housing.
>>>> If
>>>>> you can find a friend or relative willing to let you stay with them (with a new house with no history of
>>>>> leaks) for a month or two do this. Otherwise take the money you would spend on remediation and move into a
>>>>> new clean house or apt. for a month or two, if the difference in your health is undeniably better "MOVE"
>>>>> Craigslist.com has people with brand new homes looking to rent a room out, you can get into one of these
>>>> for
>>>>> about 600 a month. Less than one visit to shoemaker or any of the other ahem "alternative medicine
>>>>> practitioners" and you will learn far more about your condition and how to treat it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Christ
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>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/27/08, mgfs wrote:
>>>>>> First of all I would like to say I hope everyone suffering on this thread finds the answers and treatment
>>>>> they need to feel well and whole
>>>>>> again. After spending quite a bit of time with RS recently for a non clinical reason I would like to give
>>>>> my thoughts on the man. He is one
>>>>>> of the most immature egotistical self centered people I have ever met. He is a sensationalist capitalizing
>>>>> on the pain and ignorance of
>>>>>> others. And although I'm not a mental health pro I would lay money that he has borderline personality
>>>>> disorder. He is about one thing
>>>>>> and one thing only...lining the pockets of RS and pontificating the wonders of all things RS. All you have
>>>>> to do is walk in his waiting room
>>>>>> and observe "The Shrine" dedicated to the glory of RS to know there is something not right with this man.
>>>>> My favorite part of "The Shrine"
>>>>>> is an ad he has for a diet he made up that says something like "My way works, does yours?". Now what makes
>>>>> this so funny is he is a very
>>>>>> overweight man. Folks, use your head when it comes to this guy. if it looks like and smells like, it
>>>>> probably is.
>>>>>>
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