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    Re: MCS brought on by toxid mold and flat earth ff

    Posted by dd on 1/26/04


    On 1/26/04, ff wrote:
    > Deborah D.:
    > The public does not respond, react, become involved, typically until they
    > are impacted on a personal level.
    > I had to laugh recently, when a news interview on mad cow revealed that
    > the public was content to sit back, trusting that "the government will
    > protect them."
    > The unsuspecting, apathetic public.
    > ff
    > On 1/26/04, Deborah D. wrote:
    >> ff
    >> Well put. That is exactly what is going on; the victims become their
    > own
    >> worst enemy, something that the defense counts upon. I have been guilty
    >> of this myself when, in shock, I realize that people who should have
    >> cared, could have prevented this, and could have remediated these
    >> situations, treated my son and I as though we were pieces of refuse to
    > be
    >> pushed to the side of the road. Once, a Vietnam Veteran I have come to
    >> know told me, yeah, now you know how we felt when we came back, at least
    >> you got a body bag.
    >> But, the fact remains, that victims must realize that clear, concise,
    >> direct communication must be adhered to in these cases and that the
    >> defense will resort to tactics not unlike psychological warfare to win
    >> their case. I have cried more over this mold issue and what it cost my
    >> son and I than I did when I lost my father and husband(I guess that I
    > was
    >> in shock and new that I must continue in order to provide for my son and
    >> myself, but at least I had my physical health and some mental health
    > with
    >> the exception of the grief.) I had no control over the deaths, but I
    >> thought my contractual relations with landlords provided me with the
    >> protections afforded by statute as I struggled to become a participating
    >> member of society; I was wrong, as my subsequent forays into the court
    >> room proved, there is only the justice that money can buy. This
    >> realization, that I had no rights, and neither did my child, pushed me
    > to
    >> near hysteria, the mental anguish was indescribable.
    >> But then I realize that if not for the terrible setbacks that I have
    >> suffered, the 'small-minded' people would never have been a concern for
    >> me, or a problem. As it is, I ended up having to deal with a class of
    >> people that for all intents and purposes, didn't exist to me. Too bad,
    >> especially for those who continue to suffer at their mercy. These are
    >> the folks that bring our society down.
    >> dd
    >> Sadly, our society has become calloused to the problems of others,
    >> especially when this has not affected them yet.
    >> On 1/24/04, ff wrote:
    >>> Mary:
    >>> I understand. Some time back, a long time back, I wrote on something
    >>> that I have noticed over the years and it has to do with experience.
    >>> You, seemingly having taken a posiiton on an issue, have experience.
    >>> For first time victims, i.e. without experience, by the time they
    >>> realize their manner of presentation to various audiences is
    >>> discrediting to them, and to the issue, it's too late.
    >>> People that have been injured tend to cry out because of the pain, and
    >>> that is understandable. The problems come with the fact that those
    >>> they rely on as well as the opposition, cannot feel the pain and
    >>> therefore may get tired of listening to the whining. I believe this
    >>> is a problem in the agencies, which after a period of time would have
    >>> to become calloused to cries from a whining public. On the other
    >>> hand, they do not hear the whining from the "other side," and that
    >>> serves to facilitate relationships.
    >>> ff
    >>> On 1/24/04, Mary wrote:
    >>>> ff:
    >>>> I'm being too obscure. None of these comments, in caps no less, are
    >>>> directed at you, and they don't really come from me.
    >>>> I am just reacting to the prior post from someone ranting the "you
    >>>> can't tell me...." line. People like this have closed their minds,
    >>>> or are in some kind of weird denial, so what is the point of even
    >>>> posting?
    >>>> Sorry for any confusing.
    >>>> Best Regards,
    >>>> Mary
    >>>> On 1/24/04, ff wrote:
    >>>>> Mary:
    >>>>> And there's the difference. To you, it's all about you. To me,
    >>>>> it's not about me. Solve the problemn alleged to have been caused
    >>>>> by exposure to mold, tell us "what it is," and not "what it is
    >>>>> not."
    >>>>> ff
    >>>>> On 1/24/04, Mary wrote:
    >>>>>> Hey ff:
    >>>>>> I think you get my point.
    >>>>>> Best Regards,
    >>>>>> Mary
    >>>>>> On 1/24/04, ff wrote:
    >>>>>>> mary:
    >>>>>>> I think you have it backwards. The flat earth thinking, the
    >>>>>>> earth as the center of the universe, is consistent with those
    >>>>>>> that grab onto a concept without realizing they may not know
    >>>>>>> everything (well, I've said it before, they gain comfort in
    >>>>>>> what they know, but find discomfort in considering how much
    >>>>>>> they do not know. It's understandable, to spend years
    >>>>>>> learning, thinking you know, gaining confidence in what you
    >>>>>>> know, and then to learn there's more to it, or worse, it was
    >>>>>>> wrong.)
    >>>>>>> So who's going to change the scientific consensus as carved in
    >>>>>>> stone by the "It ain't mold group" ? Better yet, if it's not
    >>>>>>> so, then why hasn't it been changed.
    >>>>>>> The answers lie in what typically drives, or funds, science.
    >>>>>>> So, it's back to suppression bias. Conducting the science to
    >>>>>>> prove that, for example, microbes have evolved, adapted,
    >>>>>>> physically and biologically, due to changes in the
    >>>>>>> environment, specifically man-made events, and as a result,
    >>>>>>> people are getting sick, structures are rendered useless, of
    >>>>>>> no value, and numerous entities face liability, would likely
    >>>>>>> receive $0 funding from the corporations liable in such a case.
    >>>>>>> That's not attractive to most, and certainly, who in the heck
    >>>>>>> would want to fund such an effort? After all, creating
    >>>>>>> miracles is what science should be about, you know, science
    >>>>>>> and research that leads to good things, products that make our
    >>>>>>> lives easier and produce profits. Now, that's exciting!
    >>>>>>> Imagine a corporate scientist walking into the board meeting
    >>>>>>> stating, WOW! look what my science shows, product X we have
    >>>>>>> been manufacturing for years is killing people. This is
    >>>>>>> proof, we must get it off the market, find the victims, give
    >>>>>>> them the medical help needed to save lives...
    >>>>>>> Anyway, Mary, it may be a fact of life we have to accept, but
    >>>>>>> you do know better. When human health is at stake, the
    >>>>>>> legitimate scientists try to solve the problem by finding
    >>>>>>> out "what it is," and not "what it is not."
    >>>>>>> ff
    >>>>>>>> Well then I guess that says it all. And I'm thinking some
    >>>>>>>> smart people used to say the same thing about the earth
    >>>>>>>> being flat. And the sun orbited the earth. But, since you
    >>>>>>>> are sure, then what else is left?
    >>>>>>>> Best Regards,
    >>>>>>>> Mary
    >>>>>>>> On 1/23/04, waldo lewis wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> I came upon this website after searching for "mold
    >>>>>>>> allergy". I can't quite figure out what all the messages are
    >>>>>>>> about, but, I for one know first hand that toxid mold did me
    >>>>>>>> in. I have a almost flat roof on my house and you can't see
    >>>>>>>> it from below. To make a long story/short, the roof must
    >>>>>>>> have been leaking for quite some time. By the time we found
    >>>>>>>> it----By smelling the mold in the upper bedrooms (mildew
    >>>>>>>> smell), it was too late to do anything about it ourselves.
    >>>>>>>> We had mold remediation done to the whole wall in the back
    >>>>>>>> of the house even going 8 feet into the ceiling. NOW, I am
    >>>>>>>> effected by the morning paper, the car and even walking
    >>>>>>>> throught the super markets.
    >>>>>>>>> case closed..Waldo

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