Re: MCS brought on by toxid mold and flat earth ff

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On 1/26/04, ff wrote:
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>
> Deborah D.:
>
> The public does not respond, react, become involved, typically until they
> are impacted on a personal level.
>
> I had to laugh recently, when a news interview on mad cow revealed that
> the public was content to sit back, trusting that "the government will
> protect them."
>
> The unsuspecting, apathetic public.
>
> ff
>
>
> On 1/26/04, Deborah D. wrote:
>>
>> ff
>> Well put. That is exactly what is going on; the victims become their
> own
>> worst enemy, something that the defense counts upon. I have been guilty
>> of this myself when, in shock, I realize that people who should have
>> cared, could have prevented this, and could have remediated these
>> situations, treated my son and I as though we were pieces of refuse to
> be
>> pushed to the side of the road. Once, a Vietnam Veteran I have come to
>> know told me, yeah, now you know how we felt when we came back, at least
>> you got a body bag.
>>
>> But, the fact remains, that victims must realize that clear, concise,
>> direct communication must be adhered to in these cases and that the
>> defense will resort to tactics not unlike psychological warfare to win
>> their case. I have cried more over this mold issue and what it cost my
>> son and I than I did when I lost my father and husband(I guess that I
> was
>> in shock and new that I must continue in order to provide for my son and
>> myself, but at least I had my physical health and some mental health
> with
>> the exception of the grief.) I had no control over the deaths, but I
>> thought my contractual relations with landlords provided me with the
>> protections afforded by statute as I struggled to become a participating
>> member of society; I was wrong, as my subsequent forays into the court
>> room proved, there is only the justice that money can buy. This
>> realization, that I had no rights, and neither did my child, pushed me
> to
>> near hysteria, the mental anguish was indescribable.
>>
>> But then I realize that if not for the terrible setbacks that I have
>> suffered, the 'small-minded' people would never have been a concern for
>> me, or a problem. As it is, I ended up having to deal with a class of
>> people that for all intents and purposes, didn't exist to me. Too bad,
>> especially for those who continue to suffer at their mercy. These are
>> the folks that bring our society down.
>>
>> dd
>>
>> Sadly, our society has become calloused to the problems of others,
>> especially when this has not affected them yet.
>>
>> On 1/24/04, ff wrote:
>>>
>>> Mary:
>>>
>>> I understand. Some time back, a long time back, I wrote on something
>>> that I have noticed over the years and it has to do with experience.
>>> You, seemingly having taken a posiiton on an issue, have experience.
>>>
>>> For first time victims, i.e. without experience, by the time they
>>> realize their manner of presentation to various audiences is
>>> discrediting to them, and to the issue, it's too late.
>>>
>>> People that have been injured tend to cry out because of the pain, and
>>> that is understandable. The problems come with the fact that those
>>> they rely on as well as the opposition, cannot feel the pain and
>>> therefore may get tired of listening to the whining. I believe this
>>> is a problem in the agencies, which after a period of time would have
>>> to become calloused to cries from a whining public. On the other
>>> hand, they do not hear the whining from the "other side," and that
>>> serves to facilitate relationships.
>>>
>>> ff
>>>
>>> On 1/24/04, Mary wrote:
>>>> ff:
>>>>
>>>> I'm being too obscure. None of these comments, in caps no less, are
>>>> directed at you, and they don't really come from me.
>>>>
>>>> I am just reacting to the prior post from someone ranting the "you
>>>> can't tell me...." line. People like this have closed their minds,
>>>> or are in some kind of weird denial, so what is the point of even
>>>> posting?
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for any confusing.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>> On 1/24/04, ff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary:
>>>>>
>>>>> And there's the difference. To you, it's all about you. To me,
>>>>> it's not about me. Solve the problemn alleged to have been caused
>>>>> by exposure to mold, tell us "what it is," and not "what it is
>>>>> not."
>>>>>
>>>>> ff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/24/04, Mary wrote:
>>>>>> Hey ff:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NO ONE CAN TELL ME YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!
>>>>>> NO ONE CAN TELL ME I'M WRONG!
>>>>>> NO ONE CAN TELL ME BLAH BLAH BLAH.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you get my point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/24/04, ff wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mary:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think you have it backwards. The flat earth thinking, the
>>>>>>> earth as the center of the universe, is consistent with those
>>>>>>> that grab onto a concept without realizing they may not know
>>>>>>> everything (well, I've said it before, they gain comfort in
>>>>>>> what they know, but find discomfort in considering how much
>>>>>>> they do not know. It's understandable, to spend years
>>>>>>> learning, thinking you know, gaining confidence in what you
>>>>>>> know, and then to learn there's more to it, or worse, it was
>>>>>>> wrong.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So who's going to change the scientific consensus as carved in
>>>>>>> stone by the "It ain't mold group" ? Better yet, if it's not
>>>>>>> so, then why hasn't it been changed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The answers lie in what typically drives, or funds, science.
>>>>>>> So, it's back to suppression bias. Conducting the science to
>>>>>>> prove that, for example, microbes have evolved, adapted,
>>>>>>> physically and biologically, due to changes in the
>>>>>>> environment, specifically man-made events, and as a result,
>>>>>>> people are getting sick, structures are rendered useless, of
>>>>>>> no value, and numerous entities face liability, would likely
>>>>>>> receive $0 funding from the corporations liable in such a case.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's not attractive to most, and certainly, who in the heck
>>>>>>> would want to fund such an effort? After all, creating
>>>>>>> miracles is what science should be about, you know, science
>>>>>>> and research that leads to good things, products that make our
>>>>>>> lives easier and produce profits. Now, that's exciting!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Imagine a corporate scientist walking into the board meeting
>>>>>>> stating, WOW! look what my science shows, product X we have
>>>>>>> been manufacturing for years is killing people. This is
>>>>>>> proof, we must get it off the market, find the victims, give
>>>>>>> them the medical help needed to save lives...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, Mary, it may be a fact of life we have to accept, but
>>>>>>> you do know better. When human health is at stake, the
>>>>>>> legitimate scientists try to solve the problem by finding
>>>>>>> out "what it is," and not "what it is not."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ff
>>>>>>>> Well then I guess that says it all. And I'm thinking some
>>>>>>>> smart people used to say the same thing about the earth
>>>>>>>> being flat. And the sun orbited the earth. But, since you
>>>>>>>> are sure, then what else is left?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/23/04, waldo lewis wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I came upon this website after searching for "mold
>>>>>>>> allergy". I can't quite figure out what all the messages are
>>>>>>>> about, but, I for one know first hand that toxid mold did me
>>>>>>>> in. I have a almost flat roof on my house and you can't see
>>>>>>>> it from below. To make a long story/short, the roof must
>>>>>>>> have been leaking for quite some time. By the time we found
>>>>>>>> it----By smelling the mold in the upper bedrooms (mildew
>>>>>>>> smell), it was too late to do anything about it ourselves.
>>>>>>>> We had mold remediation done to the whole wall in the back
>>>>>>>> of the house even going 8 feet into the ceiling. NOW, I am
>>>>>>>> effected by the morning paper, the car and even walking
>>>>>>>> throught the super markets.
>>>>>>>>> (NO ONE CAN TELL ME THAT THERE IS NO TOXID MOLD)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> case closed..Waldo

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