Re: MCS brought on by toxid mold and flat earth ff

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On 1/26/04, Deborah D. wrote:
>
> ff
> Well put. That is exactly what is going on; the victims become their own
> worst enemy, something that the defense counts upon. I have been guilty
> of this myself when, in shock, I realize that people who should have
> cared, could have prevented this, and could have remediated these
> situations, treated my son and I as though we were pieces of refuse to be
> pushed to the side of the road. Once, a Vietnam Veteran I have come to
> know told me, yeah, now you know how we felt when we came back, at least
> you got a body bag.
>
> But, the fact remains, that victims must realize that clear, concise,
> direct communication must be adhered to in these cases and that the
> defense will resort to tactics not unlike psychological warfare to win
> their case. I have cried more over this mold issue and what it cost my
> son and I than I did when I lost my father and husband(I guess that I was
> in shock and new that I must continue in order to provide for my son and
> myself, but at least I had my physical health and some mental health with
> the exception of the grief.) I had no control over the deaths, but I
> thought my contractual relations with landlords provided me with the
> protections afforded by statute as I struggled to become a participating
> member of society; I was wrong, as my subsequent forays into the court
> room proved, there is only the justice that money can buy. This
> realization, that I had no rights, and neither did my child, pushed me to
> near hysteria, the mental anguish was indescribable.
>
> But then I realize that if not for the terrible setbacks that I have
> suffered, the 'small-minded' people would never have been a concern for
> me, or a problem. As it is, I ended up having to deal with a class of
> people that for all intents and purposes, didn't exist to me. Too bad,
> especially for those who continue to suffer at their mercy. These are
> the folks that bring our society down.
>
> dd
>
> Sadly, our society has become calloused to the problems of others,
> especially when this has not affected them yet.
>
> On 1/24/04, ff wrote:
>>
>> Mary:
>>
>> I understand. Some time back, a long time back, I wrote on something
>> that I have noticed over the years and it has to do with experience.
>> You, seemingly having taken a posiiton on an issue, have experience.
>>
>> For first time victims, i.e. without experience, by the time they
>> realize their manner of presentation to various audiences is
>> discrediting to them, and to the issue, it's too late.
>>
>> People that have been injured tend to cry out because of the pain, and
>> that is understandable. The problems come with the fact that those
>> they rely on as well as the opposition, cannot feel the pain and
>> therefore may get tired of listening to the whining. I believe this
>> is a problem in the agencies, which after a period of time would have
>> to become calloused to cries from a whining public. On the other
>> hand, they do not hear the whining from the "other side," and that
>> serves to facilitate relationships.
>>
>> ff
>>
>> On 1/24/04, Mary wrote:
>>> ff:
>>>
>>> I'm being too obscure. None of these comments, in caps no less, are
>>> directed at you, and they don't really come from me.
>>>
>>> I am just reacting to the prior post from someone ranting the "you
>>> can't tell me...." line. People like this have closed their minds,
>>> or are in some kind of weird denial, so what is the point of even
>>> posting?
>>>
>>> Sorry for any confusing.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Mary
>>>
>>> On 1/24/04, ff wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mary:
>>>>
>>>> And there's the difference. To you, it's all about you. To me,
>>>> it's not about me. Solve the problemn alleged to have been caused
>>>> by exposure to mold, tell us "what it is," and not "what it is
>>>> not."
>>>>
>>>> ff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/24/04, Mary wrote:
>>>>> Hey ff:
>>>>>
>>>>> NO ONE CAN TELL ME YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!
>>>>> NO ONE CAN TELL ME I'M WRONG!
>>>>> NO ONE CAN TELL ME BLAH BLAH BLAH.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you get my point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/24/04, ff wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mary:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you have it backwards. The flat earth thinking, the
>>>>>> earth as the center of the universe, is consistent with those
>>>>>> that grab onto a concept without realizing they may not know
>>>>>> everything (well, I've said it before, they gain comfort in
>>>>>> what they know, but find discomfort in considering how much
>>>>>> they do not know. It's understandable, to spend years
>>>>>> learning, thinking you know, gaining confidence in what you
>>>>>> know, and then to learn there's more to it, or worse, it was
>>>>>> wrong.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So who's going to change the scientific consensus as carved in
>>>>>> stone by the "It ain't mold group" ? Better yet, if it's not
>>>>>> so, then why hasn't it been changed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The answers lie in what typically drives, or funds, science.
>>>>>> So, it's back to suppression bias. Conducting the science to
>>>>>> prove that, for example, microbes have evolved, adapted,
>>>>>> physically and biologically, due to changes in the
>>>>>> environment, specifically man-made events, and as a result,
>>>>>> people are getting sick, structures are rendered useless, of
>>>>>> no value, and numerous entities face liability, would likely
>>>>>> receive $0 funding from the corporations liable in such a case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not attractive to most, and certainly, who in the heck
>>>>>> would want to fund such an effort? After all, creating
>>>>>> miracles is what science should be about, you know, science
>>>>>> and research that leads to good things, products that make our
>>>>>> lives easier and produce profits. Now, that's exciting!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Imagine a corporate scientist walking into the board meeting
>>>>>> stating, WOW! look what my science shows, product X we have
>>>>>> been manufacturing for years is killing people. This is
>>>>>> proof, we must get it off the market, find the victims, give
>>>>>> them the medical help needed to save lives...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, Mary, it may be a fact of life we have to accept, but
>>>>>> you do know better. When human health is at stake, the
>>>>>> legitimate scientists try to solve the problem by finding
>>>>>> out "what it is," and not "what it is not."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ff
>>>>>>> Well then I guess that says it all. And I'm thinking some
>>>>>>> smart people used to say the same thing about the earth
>>>>>>> being flat. And the sun orbited the earth. But, since you
>>>>>>> are sure, then what else is left?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/23/04, waldo lewis wrote:
>>>>>>>> I came upon this website after searching for "mold
>>>>>>> allergy". I can't quite figure out what all the messages are
>>>>>>> about, but, I for one know first hand that toxid mold did me
>>>>>>> in. I have a almost flat roof on my house and you can't see
>>>>>>> it from below. To make a long story/short, the roof must
>>>>>>> have been leaking for quite some time. By the time we found
>>>>>>> it----By smelling the mold in the upper bedrooms (mildew
>>>>>>> smell), it was too late to do anything about it ourselves.
>>>>>>> We had mold remediation done to the whole wall in the back
>>>>>>> of the house even going 8 feet into the ceiling. NOW, I am
>>>>>>> effected by the morning paper, the car and even walking
>>>>>>> throught the super markets.
>>>>>>>> (NO ONE CAN TELL ME THAT THERE IS NO TOXID MOLD)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> case closed..Waldo

And I am another who has stumbled onto this site. Yep, Toxic Mold in my
HVAC system along with unsealed ducts resulting in fiberglass to boot.
Almost lost my kids over it. Having a great time living in a travel
trailer until who knows when, while I look through the windows at my
beautiful home and all of our belongings that are heavily contaminated.

I agree with Waldo. My life has been a true nightmare due to Toxic Mold
and all of the health issues we faced. We left that house with black
tongues. Ever heard of such a horrible thing??? Internal bleeding, as
well. I have gained incredible knowledge on the subject as I have studied
this since 1999. Toxic Mold IS a killer!!! Unfortunately, my case has yet
to be closed although we have made it into Federal Court!!!

D Krisman

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