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    Re: MCS brought on by toxid mold and flat earth ff

    Posted by dd on 1/29/04

    Think I could get funding for an action group called the Belligerent Bovine
    Brigade? I've got a thing for alliteration.

    On 1/26/04, dd wrote:
    > Moo!
    > On 1/26/04, ff wrote:
    >> Deborah D.:
    >> The public does not respond, react, become involved, typically until they
    >> are impacted on a personal level.
    >> I had to laugh recently, when a news interview on mad cow revealed that
    >> the public was content to sit back, trusting that "the government will
    >> protect them."
    >> The unsuspecting, apathetic public.
    >> ff
    >> On 1/26/04, Deborah D. wrote:
    >>> ff
    >>> Well put. That is exactly what is going on; the victims become their
    >> own
    >>> worst enemy, something that the defense counts upon. I have been guilty
    >>> of this myself when, in shock, I realize that people who should have
    >>> cared, could have prevented this, and could have remediated these
    >>> situations, treated my son and I as though we were pieces of refuse to
    >> be
    >>> pushed to the side of the road. Once, a Vietnam Veteran I have come to
    >>> know told me, yeah, now you know how we felt when we came back, at least
    >>> you got a body bag.
    >>> But, the fact remains, that victims must realize that clear, concise,
    >>> direct communication must be adhered to in these cases and that the
    >>> defense will resort to tactics not unlike psychological warfare to win
    >>> their case. I have cried more over this mold issue and what it cost my
    >>> son and I than I did when I lost my father and husband(I guess that I
    >> was
    >>> in shock and new that I must continue in order to provide for my son and
    >>> myself, but at least I had my physical health and some mental health
    >> with
    >>> the exception of the grief.) I had no control over the deaths, but I
    >>> thought my contractual relations with landlords provided me with the
    >>> protections afforded by statute as I struggled to become a participating
    >>> member of society; I was wrong, as my subsequent forays into the court
    >>> room proved, there is only the justice that money can buy. This
    >>> realization, that I had no rights, and neither did my child, pushed me
    >> to
    >>> near hysteria, the mental anguish was indescribable.
    >>> But then I realize that if not for the terrible setbacks that I have
    >>> suffered, the 'small-minded' people would never have been a concern for
    >>> me, or a problem. As it is, I ended up having to deal with a class of
    >>> people that for all intents and purposes, didn't exist to me. Too bad,
    >>> especially for those who continue to suffer at their mercy. These are
    >>> the folks that bring our society down.
    >>> dd
    >>> Sadly, our society has become calloused to the problems of others,
    >>> especially when this has not affected them yet.
    >>> On 1/24/04, ff wrote:
    >>>> Mary:
    >>>> I understand. Some time back, a long time back, I wrote on something
    >>>> that I have noticed over the years and it has to do with experience.
    >>>> You, seemingly having taken a posiiton on an issue, have experience.
    >>>> For first time victims, i.e. without experience, by the time they
    >>>> realize their manner of presentation to various audiences is
    >>>> discrediting to them, and to the issue, it's too late.
    >>>> People that have been injured tend to cry out because of the pain, and
    >>>> that is understandable. The problems come with the fact that those
    >>>> they rely on as well as the opposition, cannot feel the pain and
    >>>> therefore may get tired of listening to the whining. I believe this
    >>>> is a problem in the agencies, which after a period of time would have
    >>>> to become calloused to cries from a whining public. On the other
    >>>> hand, they do not hear the whining from the "other side," and that
    >>>> serves to facilitate relationships.
    >>>> ff
    >>>> On 1/24/04, Mary wrote:
    >>>>> ff:
    >>>>> I'm being too obscure. None of these comments, in caps no less, are
    >>>>> directed at you, and they don't really come from me.
    >>>>> I am just reacting to the prior post from someone ranting the "you
    >>>>> can't tell me...." line. People like this have closed their minds,
    >>>>> or are in some kind of weird denial, so what is the point of even
    >>>>> posting?
    >>>>> Sorry for any confusing.
    >>>>> Best Regards,
    >>>>> Mary
    >>>>> On 1/24/04, ff wrote:
    >>>>>> Mary:
    >>>>>> And there's the difference. To you, it's all about you. To me,
    >>>>>> it's not about me. Solve the problemn alleged to have been caused
    >>>>>> by exposure to mold, tell us "what it is," and not "what it is
    >>>>>> not."
    >>>>>> ff
    >>>>>> On 1/24/04, Mary wrote:
    >>>>>>> Hey ff:
    >>>>>>> I think you get my point.
    >>>>>>> Best Regards,
    >>>>>>> Mary
    >>>>>>> On 1/24/04, ff wrote:
    >>>>>>>> mary:
    >>>>>>>> I think you have it backwards. The flat earth thinking, the
    >>>>>>>> earth as the center of the universe, is consistent with those
    >>>>>>>> that grab onto a concept without realizing they may not know
    >>>>>>>> everything (well, I've said it before, they gain comfort in
    >>>>>>>> what they know, but find discomfort in considering how much
    >>>>>>>> they do not know. It's understandable, to spend years
    >>>>>>>> learning, thinking you know, gaining confidence in what you
    >>>>>>>> know, and then to learn there's more to it, or worse, it was
    >>>>>>>> wrong.)
    >>>>>>>> So who's going to change the scientific consensus as carved in
    >>>>>>>> stone by the "It ain't mold group" ? Better yet, if it's not
    >>>>>>>> so, then why hasn't it been changed.
    >>>>>>>> The answers lie in what typically drives, or funds, science.
    >>>>>>>> So, it's back to suppression bias. Conducting the science to
    >>>>>>>> prove that, for example, microbes have evolved, adapted,
    >>>>>>>> physically and biologically, due to changes in the
    >>>>>>>> environment, specifically man-made events, and as a result,
    >>>>>>>> people are getting sick, structures are rendered useless, of
    >>>>>>>> no value, and numerous entities face liability, would likely
    >>>>>>>> receive $0 funding from the corporations liable in such a case.
    >>>>>>>> That's not attractive to most, and certainly, who in the heck
    >>>>>>>> would want to fund such an effort? After all, creating
    >>>>>>>> miracles is what science should be about, you know, science
    >>>>>>>> and research that leads to good things, products that make our
    >>>>>>>> lives easier and produce profits. Now, that's exciting!
    >>>>>>>> Imagine a corporate scientist walking into the board meeting
    >>>>>>>> stating, WOW! look what my science shows, product X we have
    >>>>>>>> been manufacturing for years is killing people. This is
    >>>>>>>> proof, we must get it off the market, find the victims, give
    >>>>>>>> them the medical help needed to save lives...
    >>>>>>>> Anyway, Mary, it may be a fact of life we have to accept, but
    >>>>>>>> you do know better. When human health is at stake, the
    >>>>>>>> legitimate scientists try to solve the problem by finding
    >>>>>>>> out "what it is," and not "what it is not."
    >>>>>>>> ff
    >>>>>>>>> Well then I guess that says it all. And I'm thinking some
    >>>>>>>>> smart people used to say the same thing about the earth
    >>>>>>>>> being flat. And the sun orbited the earth. But, since you
    >>>>>>>>> are sure, then what else is left?
    >>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
    >>>>>>>>> Mary
    >>>>>>>>> On 1/23/04, waldo lewis wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> I came upon this website after searching for "mold
    >>>>>>>>> allergy". I can't quite figure out what all the messages are
    >>>>>>>>> about, but, I for one know first hand that toxid mold did me
    >>>>>>>>> in. I have a almost flat roof on my house and you can't see
    >>>>>>>>> it from below. To make a long story/short, the roof must
    >>>>>>>>> have been leaking for quite some time. By the time we found
    >>>>>>>>> it----By smelling the mold in the upper bedrooms (mildew
    >>>>>>>>> smell), it was too late to do anything about it ourselves.
    >>>>>>>>> We had mold remediation done to the whole wall in the back
    >>>>>>>>> of the house even going 8 feet into the ceiling. NOW, I am
    >>>>>>>>> effected by the morning paper, the car and even walking
    >>>>>>>>> throught the super markets.
    >>>>>>>>>> case closed..Waldo

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