Re: MCS brought on by toxid mold and flat earth ff

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Think I could get funding for an action group called the Belligerent Bovine
Brigade? I've got a thing for alliteration.

On 1/26/04, dd wrote:
> Moo!
>
> On 1/26/04, ff wrote:
>>
>>
>> Deborah D.:
>>
>> The public does not respond, react, become involved, typically until they
>> are impacted on a personal level.
>>
>> I had to laugh recently, when a news interview on mad cow revealed that
>> the public was content to sit back, trusting that "the government will
>> protect them."
>>
>> The unsuspecting, apathetic public.
>>
>> ff
>>
>>
>> On 1/26/04, Deborah D. wrote:
>>>
>>> ff
>>> Well put. That is exactly what is going on; the victims become their
>> own
>>> worst enemy, something that the defense counts upon. I have been guilty
>>> of this myself when, in shock, I realize that people who should have
>>> cared, could have prevented this, and could have remediated these
>>> situations, treated my son and I as though we were pieces of refuse to
>> be
>>> pushed to the side of the road. Once, a Vietnam Veteran I have come to
>>> know told me, yeah, now you know how we felt when we came back, at least
>>> you got a body bag.
>>>
>>> But, the fact remains, that victims must realize that clear, concise,
>>> direct communication must be adhered to in these cases and that the
>>> defense will resort to tactics not unlike psychological warfare to win
>>> their case. I have cried more over this mold issue and what it cost my
>>> son and I than I did when I lost my father and husband(I guess that I
>> was
>>> in shock and new that I must continue in order to provide for my son and
>>> myself, but at least I had my physical health and some mental health
>> with
>>> the exception of the grief.) I had no control over the deaths, but I
>>> thought my contractual relations with landlords provided me with the
>>> protections afforded by statute as I struggled to become a participating
>>> member of society; I was wrong, as my subsequent forays into the court
>>> room proved, there is only the justice that money can buy. This
>>> realization, that I had no rights, and neither did my child, pushed me
>> to
>>> near hysteria, the mental anguish was indescribable.
>>>
>>> But then I realize that if not for the terrible setbacks that I have
>>> suffered, the 'small-minded' people would never have been a concern for
>>> me, or a problem. As it is, I ended up having to deal with a class of
>>> people that for all intents and purposes, didn't exist to me. Too bad,
>>> especially for those who continue to suffer at their mercy. These are
>>> the folks that bring our society down.
>>>
>>> dd
>>>
>>> Sadly, our society has become calloused to the problems of others,
>>> especially when this has not affected them yet.
>>>
>>> On 1/24/04, ff wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mary:
>>>>
>>>> I understand. Some time back, a long time back, I wrote on something
>>>> that I have noticed over the years and it has to do with experience.
>>>> You, seemingly having taken a posiiton on an issue, have experience.
>>>>
>>>> For first time victims, i.e. without experience, by the time they
>>>> realize their manner of presentation to various audiences is
>>>> discrediting to them, and to the issue, it's too late.
>>>>
>>>> People that have been injured tend to cry out because of the pain, and
>>>> that is understandable. The problems come with the fact that those
>>>> they rely on as well as the opposition, cannot feel the pain and
>>>> therefore may get tired of listening to the whining. I believe this
>>>> is a problem in the agencies, which after a period of time would have
>>>> to become calloused to cries from a whining public. On the other
>>>> hand, they do not hear the whining from the "other side," and that
>>>> serves to facilitate relationships.
>>>>
>>>> ff
>>>>
>>>> On 1/24/04, Mary wrote:
>>>>> ff:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm being too obscure. None of these comments, in caps no less, are
>>>>> directed at you, and they don't really come from me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am just reacting to the prior post from someone ranting the "you
>>>>> can't tell me...." line. People like this have closed their minds,
>>>>> or are in some kind of weird denial, so what is the point of even
>>>>> posting?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for any confusing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/24/04, ff wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mary:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And there's the difference. To you, it's all about you. To me,
>>>>>> it's not about me. Solve the problemn alleged to have been caused
>>>>>> by exposure to mold, tell us "what it is," and not "what it is
>>>>>> not."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/24/04, Mary wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey ff:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NO ONE CAN TELL ME YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!
>>>>>>> NO ONE CAN TELL ME I'M WRONG!
>>>>>>> NO ONE CAN TELL ME BLAH BLAH BLAH.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think you get my point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/24/04, ff wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> mary:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think you have it backwards. The flat earth thinking, the
>>>>>>>> earth as the center of the universe, is consistent with those
>>>>>>>> that grab onto a concept without realizing they may not know
>>>>>>>> everything (well, I've said it before, they gain comfort in
>>>>>>>> what they know, but find discomfort in considering how much
>>>>>>>> they do not know. It's understandable, to spend years
>>>>>>>> learning, thinking you know, gaining confidence in what you
>>>>>>>> know, and then to learn there's more to it, or worse, it was
>>>>>>>> wrong.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So who's going to change the scientific consensus as carved in
>>>>>>>> stone by the "It ain't mold group" ? Better yet, if it's not
>>>>>>>> so, then why hasn't it been changed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The answers lie in what typically drives, or funds, science.
>>>>>>>> So, it's back to suppression bias. Conducting the science to
>>>>>>>> prove that, for example, microbes have evolved, adapted,
>>>>>>>> physically and biologically, due to changes in the
>>>>>>>> environment, specifically man-made events, and as a result,
>>>>>>>> people are getting sick, structures are rendered useless, of
>>>>>>>> no value, and numerous entities face liability, would likely
>>>>>>>> receive $0 funding from the corporations liable in such a case.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's not attractive to most, and certainly, who in the heck
>>>>>>>> would want to fund such an effort? After all, creating
>>>>>>>> miracles is what science should be about, you know, science
>>>>>>>> and research that leads to good things, products that make our
>>>>>>>> lives easier and produce profits. Now, that's exciting!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Imagine a corporate scientist walking into the board meeting
>>>>>>>> stating, WOW! look what my science shows, product X we have
>>>>>>>> been manufacturing for years is killing people. This is
>>>>>>>> proof, we must get it off the market, find the victims, give
>>>>>>>> them the medical help needed to save lives...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, Mary, it may be a fact of life we have to accept, but
>>>>>>>> you do know better. When human health is at stake, the
>>>>>>>> legitimate scientists try to solve the problem by finding
>>>>>>>> out "what it is," and not "what it is not."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ff
>>>>>>>>> Well then I guess that says it all. And I'm thinking some
>>>>>>>>> smart people used to say the same thing about the earth
>>>>>>>>> being flat. And the sun orbited the earth. But, since you
>>>>>>>>> are sure, then what else is left?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1/23/04, waldo lewis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I came upon this website after searching for "mold
>>>>>>>>> allergy". I can't quite figure out what all the messages are
>>>>>>>>> about, but, I for one know first hand that toxid mold did me
>>>>>>>>> in. I have a almost flat roof on my house and you can't see
>>>>>>>>> it from below. To make a long story/short, the roof must
>>>>>>>>> have been leaking for quite some time. By the time we found
>>>>>>>>> it----By smelling the mold in the upper bedrooms (mildew
>>>>>>>>> smell), it was too late to do anything about it ourselves.
>>>>>>>>> We had mold remediation done to the whole wall in the back
>>>>>>>>> of the house even going 8 feet into the ceiling. NOW, I am
>>>>>>>>> effected by the morning paper, the car and even walking
>>>>>>>>> throught the super markets.
>>>>>>>>>> (NO ONE CAN TELL ME THAT THERE IS NO TOXID MOLD)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> case closed..Waldo

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