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    Re: HVAC Mold Inspections

    Posted by Deborah on 3/01/08

    Hummm RD,

    I tried to post a response but it didn't make it past web filter and I cannot figure
    out what is tripping it. I must run now, but I'll try to send it piecemeal later.

    >> On 2/29/08, Rem Dude wrote:
    >>> Deborah:
    >>> You proved my entire point of this thread. A simple HVAC inspection would have
    >>> caught the problem before said occupant moved in. Secondly, if the contamination
    >>> occurred after move in, then an annual inspection would have caught the
    >>> contamination. EITHER way, said occupant would not have been exposed to mold
    >>> contamination for 2 years.
    >>> Let said occupant serve as an example for everyone else - get your HVAC
    >>> inspected for fungal contamination every cooling season.
    >>> RD
    >>> On 2/29/08, Deborah wrote:
    >>>> Just when I thought there was a person there...sigh..
    >>>> I know you aren't a lawyer and the lease was standard. Property owner liable
    >>> for
    >>>> maintenance of immovable appliances.
    >>>> Occupant had no idea what was making said occupant ill. Occupant was ill
    >>>> increasingly ill over a 2 year period. Occupant moved out immediately upon
    >>>> discovering what the culprit was and moved to have it tested and identified.
    >>>> Property owner tried to stop this unsuccessfully. Handyman sent by landlord to
    >>>> "remediate" arrives with a brush and spray bottle and explains several other
    >>>> unauthorized entries were made during prior year to "clean" coils and that both
    >>>> handyman and property owner were aware of occupant's illness and cluelessness
    >>>> about the condition of the HVAC system and the presence of mold within the
    >>>> system. A retaliatory eviction was attempted to prevent collection of samples.
    >>>> Samples were collected and identified.
    >>>> The analysis was necessary to determine what was causing symptoms and proper
    >>>> approach to remediation before contents could be removed.
    >>>> You prove over and over that even with a superficial acknowledgment of the
    >>>> facts, you are quick to reach a conclusion based on your own beliefs or values
    >>>> rather than justice. This isn't academic, it was my life and represents what
    >>> is
    >>>> happening to people by the thousands daily.
    >>>> On 2/29/08, Rem Dude wrote:
    >>>>> Deborah:
    >>>>> 1. I am not a lawyer.
    >>>>> 2. I do not have a copy of the lease to even be able to make an assumption.
    >>>>> My question is - If the occupant was sick and had proof it was from mold
    >>>>> exposure and had proof that the HVAC system was contaminated and had proof
    >>>>> that the landlord was not responding, then why oh why was the occupant still
    >>>>> in the house???
    >>>>> Hummmm...
    >>>>> RD
    >>>>> On 2/29/08, Deborah wrote:
    >>>>>> If the property owner had knowledge of the defect, concealed it, and failed
    >>>>>> to inform, and knew occupant was sick with symptoms known to be caused by
    >>>>>> the problem, do you feel the lease was breached?
    >>>>>> On 2/29/08, Rem Dude wrote:
    >>>>>>> Deborah
    >>>>>>> Not really. I look at enough of them every day.
    >>>>>>> RD
    >>>>>>> On 2/29/08, Deborah wrote:
    >>>>>>>> hmm, "if you don't like it, move" and "if it made you ill, you are a
    >>>>>>>> whining, card-carrying member of the Victim Industry who is
    >>>>>>>> genetically inferior, er, susecptible".
    >>>>>>>> Would you like to see the pics and lab report on what was found on the
    >>>>>>>> HVAC coils in my place?
    >>>>>>>> On 2/26/08, Rem Dude wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> Deborah:
    >>>>>>>>> Mold contamination is certainly grounds for breaking a lease if the
    >>>>>>>>> landlord is unresponsive to requests to correct the problem.
    >>>>>>>>> RD
    >>>>>>>>> On 2/26/08, Deborah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> Don't have it in front of me, but standard rule is that immovables
    >>>>>>>>>> are considered domain of property owner.
    >>>>>>>>>> No matter, when I asked to have it done, inspection guy was
    >>>>>>>>>> labeled fraud by landlord and I was told to leave despite offering
    >>>>>>>>>> to assist in payment or pay for it all, this after verbal lease
    >>>>>>>>>> renewal just a few weeks before.
    >>>>>>>>>> When the water in hall was discovered just a couple of weeks or so
    >>>>>>>>>> later, leading to HVAC closet and plugged condensation tube, I had
    >>>>>>>>>> a good look at underneath of coils and intake plenum. Handyman
    >>>>>>>>>> said he'd "cleaned" coils 3x during the prior year at landlord's
    >>>>>>>>>> request...without my knowledge, of course. Handyman said he'd
    >>>>>>>>>> told landlord coils needed to be replaced or removed for thorough
    >>>>>>>>>> cleaning...landlord refused to do either. Again, I had no
    >>>>>>>>>> knowledge of any of this. Water had been flowing under carpet
    >>>>>>>>>> padding for some time. And, no, my sense of smell wasn't
    >>>>>>>>>> functioning properly due to prior poisoning.
    >>>>>>>>>> When it is my responsibility to do more than regularly change
    >>>>>>>>>> filter, depending on unit, clean 2 to 4 times per year. In my
    >>>>>>>>>> camper, it was easy to do frequently. Window units, depending on
    >>>>>>>>>> where they are located, if done regularly and kept clean, not so
    >>>>>>>>>> bad. Central HVAC beyond my capabilities without assist.
    >>>>>>>>>> On 2/26/08, Rem Dude wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> Depends. Read your leasing agreement...
    >>>>>>>>>>> RD
    >>>>>>>>>>> On 2/26/08, Deborah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Let me answer with a question; who is responsible for HVAC
    >>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation, maintenance, and repair, landlord or tenant?
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/26/08, Rem Dude wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> For those who complain about IAQ related illnesses or the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> dangers of mold, how often do you have your HVAC system
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluated?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> RD
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/25/08, Rem Dude wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In reviewing last year’s Residential HVAC system
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> inspections that we conducted, 100&37; of them tested
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive for internal duct board/insulation fungal
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> contamination and 100&37; of them tested positive for drip
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pan fungal contamination.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In reviewing last year’s Commercial HVAC system
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> inspections that we conducted approximately 78&37; tested
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive for internal fungal contamination.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> RD

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